Leadership Council for a Cleaner Anacostia (LCCAR) 9:18 am - 12:04 pm Thursday, March 9, 2023 | (UTC-04:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) Attendees: Emily Evenden Teresa Martin Ann Jones Donna Davies Anthony.Nolan Gilberto Perez Emma Roehrig J Moore fred pinkney dev murali jonathan.champion Nathalie Lombard Steve Saari Megan Roberts-Satinsky Stephen Gyor David.Smart James Smailes Chris Williams Hal Segall Mark Miller Amanda Stephenson VBT Friends of Anacostia Park Keyu Jin Alexandra Hamilton Maureen Mitchell Ariel Trahan Roger L. Chris Weiss, DC Environmental Network, He/Him Melissa Deas Apurva Patil Barbara Krupiarz, MDE Tammy Stidham Tad Deshler Christina Kravitz NPS joday kaitlyn camp Mark Shupe Guy Vaillancourt julie lawson Michael Stevens collin.burrell AmyMarie Adrianne Burke, DPR Jonathan Rogers Adrianne Burke KGaffney Mark Mank MDE Michele Robertson Tim Wheeler Lis Green Brian Caldwell Stephanie Hunt gretchen mikeska David McDonough WSSC Water Jaime Fearer - DC Health - she/her Jeff Raquel Wetzell Anthony DeLorenzo Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her carolyn.barley Emily Rese Cloyd Sudhanshu Mishra-PGCDOE Matt Ries-DC Water Michael Wozniak Rebecca Diehl Brent Peterson Patty White june mire Tess Danielson DOEE Upal Ghosh Grant Blumberg Adam Rotert NOAA Doug SImmons Anna Heilferty Whit Smith EOM Steve Hall Kelly Collins Choi Maureen H 4128****06 Steve Shofar Marian Diane Evers Jennica Sims Genette Gaffney Quinn Molner suzy kelly Eric Murdock Watani Hatcher Luis Jerry Maldonado Leonard Schugam Lisa Stevens Scout Cheeks Trent Zivkovich Maureen Holman DC Water Steve Bieber - MWCOG Petra Baldwin Dave Tomlinson Brenda Lee Richardson David Hoffmann John Sither mike Ray Montero 4846****43 Young Tsuei 2403****11 Chris Clark - PG DoE Phong Dulce Naime She, Her, Hers - DC DPR bicky corman Paul Emmart MDE cindi venters Rese Cloyd DOEE rzvoleff 5408****28 Ravi Damera 3025****97 DOEE Meetings Linda Dietz Amanda Crawford Richard Jackson Jeff Johnson Ed Dunne DC DOEE Jason Dunn Stephanie Williams- MDE Anacostia Riverkeeper Ravindra D. Ganvir Imania Amir Sharifi Brandon DuBois Caitlin McCusker DOJ Jacqueline Ellison fred pinkney 00:00:53.285 --> 00:00:55.955 Just wanted to see if my sound works for me. gretchen mikeska 00:00:56.435 --> 00:00:57.575 That sounds good. Fred. fred pinkney 00:00:58.025 --> 00:00:58.925 Okay, thank you. gretchen mikeska 00:00:59.345 --> 00:01:12.005 Okay, it's ten o'clock and, our director will, lead us off and David Smart is the person who is running the slides today in the meeting. So if you can start recording the meetings recorded and the proceedings go into the Anacostia River Sediment Project website under the leadership council link, and also on the mayor's open meeting platform. So. gretchen mikeska 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:44.944 You'll be able to get all the slides and also theproceedings at the meeting there as well. Thank you. Richard Jackson 00:01:49.414 --> 00:02:00.004 All right, so welcome everybody. Um, Dave, I was able to attend,in a whole new different, Richard Jackson 00:02:01.804 --> 00:02:09.334 Yeah, the next phase of, these meetings, so just wanted to welcome everybody. Richard Jackson 00:02:33.934 --> 00:02:34.444 Contract. Gilberto Perez 00:02:34.444 --> 00:02:34.564 In. Amanda Stephenson 00:02:34.564 --> 00:02:35.134 Place. Richard Jackson 00:02:35.344 --> 00:02:43.594 And was able to get this program running, so a lot of time, uh, put in by all the experts from the agencies. Amanda Stephenson 00:02:43.594 --> 00:02:43.984 And get. Richard Jackson 00:02:43.984 --> 00:02:50.584 Us to where we're at, in terms of the project and we will continue to do that, but we all have invested in. Richard Jackson 00:02:51.485 --> 00:02:52.805 Very knowledgeable on. Chris Williams 00:02:52.805 --> 00:02:52.895 Our. Richard Jackson 00:02:52.895 --> 00:02:53.375 Project. 18 Chris Williams 00:02:53.675 --> 00:02:53.855 Just. 19 Richard Jackson 00:02:53.855 --> 00:03:11.825 Keep moving the project forward. So, again, welcome, um, I don't foresee any changes with regards to the significant importance of this council and how it affects and drives our project and it keeps us focused on what we need to get accomplished and I welcome the opportunity to. 20 Richard Jackson 00:03:11.859 --> 00:03:32.974 The one of the co- hosts for this, uh, group because like I said, it's very unfortunate overall settlement project that we've been working on for so long and, um, with that I'm going to turn it over to Chris who is, uh, we will become good friends and learn more about each other, uh, in the near future because a lot of. 21 Richard Jackson 00:03:33.010 --> 00:03:44.105 The work that Chris is, has a lot of impact on our agency and we want to make sure that those relationships remain tight. So with that, I'll turn it over to Chris. 22 Chris Williams 00:03:46.415 --> 00:03:53.915 Thanks very much direct to Jackson. I really appreciate that. Um, but those of you who have not met me in person, I'm Chris Williams, I'm the president. 23 Chris Williams 00:03:54.664 --> 00:04:03.004 And it cost you watershed society. I've been with the organization about eighteen months so I've learned just enough to be dangerous in terms of. 24 Chris Williams 00:04:04.054 --> 00:04:24.004 Do you remember conservation issues, but I'm still meeting a lot of you still growing in the job and growing as part of this. It's really important group that's, um, providing leadership to the Anacostia restoration efforts. So thanks for the opportunity to co- chair this meeting today. 25 Chris Williams 00:04:25.385 --> 00:04:45.335 Let me just, uh, go over the agenda really quick to sort of had a chance to look at it, but, um, we're going to get a series of reports and updates from personnel from the state of Maryland as well as we'll start off with a presentation and discussion about source control from the Maryland Department of Environment. 26 Chris Williams 00:04:46.329 --> 00:05:07.234 Then we'll get an update on the natural resource damage assessment, very important aspect of this whole process from Gretchen Mchenga. Uh, then we'll, uh, get an update on the progress for swivel Anacostia, which I'm sure we're all looking forward to hearing about, and then, um, uh, and uh, river sentiment project update from. 27 Chris Williams 00:05:08.465 --> 00:05:15.365 And then we're going to have a question and answer session and we're doing something a little different this time around. We have some questions that have been. 28 Luis 00:05:15.365 --> 00:05:16.655 Submitted in advance. 29 Chris Williams 00:05:16.655 --> 00:05:17.495 That we're going to take. 30 Chris Williams 00:05:18.815 --> 00:05:19.355 Hope is. 31 3025****97 00:05:19.355 --> 00:05:19.505 That. 32 Chris Williams 00:05:19.505 --> 00:05:25.805 We'll have time after those four questions. Let me say that. 33 Chris Williams 00:05:27.219 --> 00:05:32.824 This is sort of a, this is something we want to start getting in the habit of these people. Submitting questions in advance. 34 3025****97 00:05:33.034 --> 00:05:33.214 Of. 35 Chris Williams 00:05:33.214 --> 00:05:48.184 The meeting, because that provides an opportunity to, to funnel those questions to the right people to get as really a full enriching answer is we can't so going forward, we'll be looking forward to committee. 36 Chris Williams 00:05:48.369 --> 00:05:56.764 [...] and others are council members and others rather many questions in advance that we can have an opportunity to research a little bit and then talk about them at the meeting. 37 Chris Williams 00:05:58.684 --> 00:06:18.964 So with that we will go ahead and get started. We're going to hear about source control, um, from two folks from the Maryland Department in the environment Mark man who is the toxicologist for the land and materials administration at the Maryland Department of the environment and he assists various programs at the department in characterization assessment. 38 Chris Williams 00:06:19.415 --> 00:06:40.475 Cleaned up environmental impacts and joining him is going to be Dr. Elizabeth Green also with the Department of the environment, Maryland, she is a geologist and remedial project manager in the federal facilities installation restoration program at [...], and she's been in state service for more than ten years specializing in circle remediations. 39 Chris Williams 00:06:40.540 --> 00:06:45.155 At federal facilities throughout Maryland. so take it away, Mark and Elizabeth. 40 Mark Mank MDE 00:06:47.614 --> 00:06:50.914 Chris, let me know, make sure that I can, I'm loud and you can hear me. Okay. 41 Chris Williams 00:06:51.694 --> 00:06:53.854 I can hear you. Okay, I think we all can thanks Mark. 42 Mark Mank MDE 00:06:54.634 --> 00:07:08.734 Perfect, so good morning. leadership council, Liz and I are going to present the updates on what's transpired since our last meeting in December today. I'm going to focus while I speak Smith and Sons lower portion of. 43 Mark Mank MDE 00:07:08.764 --> 00:07:29.584 The, um, Beaverdam Creek area and we've got a lot of data that's come in in the last few months before I begin and start the next slide. I just wanted to reach out and say to everyone and knowledge our new leadership and the state of Maryland. Governor Westmoreland, kind of governor read the mill Miller and for those who don't know the new secretary at the Department of the Environment. 44 Mark Mank MDE 00:07:29.944 --> 00:07:48.934 Secretary Tsarina McElwain and I won't ever be the, give her a big congratulations on that. The secretary could not join us today, but we look forward to big things occurring not only in the Anacostia, but throughout Marilyn's on the environment. so we've got a lot to do today, so go ahead and hit me to the next slide and let's go. 45 Mark Mank MDE 00:07:52.625 --> 00:08:12.185 This is just a quick refresher on, on the lower Beaverdam Creek areas of concern slide is a little bit busy, but over the course of the last several years, beginning in about two thousand and nineteen and other work done by [...] and other academics, including dr- [...] and Dr- [...]. We've had two areas. 46 Mark Mank MDE 00:08:12.244 --> 00:08:31.864 Of primary concern that Joseph Smith, Smith and sons lower portion of the creek and dependency drive area work continues throughout that. I'm going to focus on the, uh, the Joseph Smith and Son's property go ahead and advance it to the next slide please. So this is. 47 Mark Mank MDE 00:08:32.104 --> 00:08:53.075 refresher on the, the Joseph Smith and Sons property in the evolution of what's transpired in the late two thousand and twenty- two we Smith, um, they implemented a sampling and analysis plan in June of that year. We got the results from that and included soil sand. 48 Mark Mank MDE 00:08:53.104 --> 00:09:14.224 Hello, some brown water samples focusing along areas of the creek from that dataset, we identified a task equivalent hotspot above fifty PPM that resulted in US contacting, EPA region three who is our partner on this process. Dr. Prince has been instrumental. 49 Mark Mank MDE 00:09:14.315 --> 00:09:35.375 In the system and we both have distinct regulatory processes that we must follow, but we work collaboratively on this, Joseph Smith, Smith and Sons property. So due to that a fifty PPM, we wanted Joseph Smith to take a quick action because that was right along the creek last March. 50 Mark Mank MDE 00:09:35.524 --> 00:09:56.524 Right around this time, they remove that particular hotspot that we all know, there's a lot more work to be done during that period of time, while these activities were transpiring a more comprehensive characterization process was being developed that June to August two thousand and twenty- two was the implementation. 51 Mark Mank MDE 00:09:56.554 --> 00:10:17.674 Of a site wide characterization work plan that work plan included all sorts of stuff we began in June, I will tell you now we ended in August in general terms extremely complex facility, we encounter difficulties and when I say we, the department didn't do any of this work. Joseph Smith and Son. 52 Mark Mank MDE 00:10:17.705 --> 00:10:38.795 And they're contractors, you know, it's an old property. There's a lot of super structure all around that during installation of some of the, the, uh, groundwater samples and the wells we ran into some logistical, um, subsurface problems, they had to move some of those things. Some of that data is still pending. 53 Mark Mank MDE 00:10:38.974 --> 00:10:48.694 And I'll dig into that a little bit bottom line is in January, two thousand and twenty- three end of January. We just received this data and when I say we, that's [...]. 54 Mark Mank MDE 00:10:49.564 --> 00:10:51.604 It hadn't flipped to the next slide. Please. 55 Mark Mank MDE 00:10:53.345 --> 00:11:14.075 And hold questions, if you have some, it may be beneficial. I'm going to read through this Gretchen and then maybe if, um, if you guys could zoom in on that figure after I speak a little bit just to, and this is not an all inclusive figure, it captures a lot of what transpired in this work plan, but as you can see a lot, a lot of data has. 56 Mark Mank MDE 00:11:14.104 --> 00:11:35.194 Been collected in the last six to nine months. Reported back to us. This included a proximately thirty- shallow soil samples settlement samples and I'm going to tell you those sediment samples were on drainage areas. They supplemented some of the settlement work that was already done. There are stormwater samples groundwater samples. 57 Mark Mank MDE 00:11:35.255 --> 00:11:56.075 Mostly focused along the creek, but not exclusive to the creek. We wanted to know what would be the sub- surface conditions to the creek itself. So we've got a lot of data on that process. Water process material, so I'm going to speak a little bit about some of how the site is constructed and manage. 58 Mark Mank MDE 00:11:56.404 --> 00:12:17.494 On the next slide designers were also installed and they put a stream gauge and I don't know for others and doing modeling and things like that. A stream gauge exists and has been installed in that area. That's independent of the U. S. GS gauge, that is, I don't know the specifics as to where. 59 Mark Mank MDE 00:12:17.529 --> 00:12:25.684 That is, but at any rate, extreme gauge was installed within that portion of the creek. Let's go ahead and slip to the next slide. Please. 60 Mark Mank MDE 00:12:29.104 --> 00:12:48.544 So in this characterization process, I'm going to quickly go over it. It's a little bit complicated. We've collected a lot of samples and include soil samples process and process water samples, the way the facility is constructed. It's an extremely dangerous dangerous. 61 Mark Mank MDE 00:12:48.574 --> 00:13:09.694 Dynamic facility, a lot of large equipment, big trucks, crushing machines, threading machines. So the property is basically, we've got soil samples this little samples focus along the creek. The property is basically concrete that concrete is designed in a matter that slopes away from the creek. I call it like a. 62 Mark Mank MDE 00:13:09.724 --> 00:13:30.814 Bowl, that's not an engineering term, but it's constructed that way along the perimeter of a lot of these areas are concrete walls to impede minimize stop materials from flowing in the process material, and the reason that I explain, this is the process material and process water or within that foot. 63 Mark Mank MDE 00:13:30.850 --> 00:13:51.905 Print area within the confines of that. Some of these other samples are on Joseph Smith property, but outside of the operational footprint, you know, where things are occurring, so we collected all sorts of data throughout that, that area. So if you want to, let's drill in, on the data a little bit here and you can see the number of samples I'm going to first. 64 Mark Mank MDE 00:13:52.054 --> 00:14:12.814 This on the settlement that settlement data is supplemented with other data, those are areas where sentiment accumulates and may or may not discharge to the water. One of the samples was eighteen PPM another was on the low range. We don't have a lot of settlement data within this dataset because there aren't a lot of areas where you are actually are collecting or accumulating that material. 65 Mark Mank MDE 00:14:13.265 --> 00:14:34.295 All of these data points will go into the larger. Um, I hate to use the word scheme, but I'll say scheme slash conceptual site model to develop what will ultimately lead to a comprehensive cleanup plan. I'll then focus on the soil so as you can see in the soil data set, the range was out about basically near to now. 66 Mark Mank MDE 00:14:34.299 --> 00:14:55.444 [...] detect point One zero PM to thirty [...]. We collected a lot more data along the creek. This, we had composites historically, the one highlight I would say is we did not encounter any TASCA level concentrations along the creek that doesn't mean the creek, but the creek slope and all those things are. So. 67 Mark Mank MDE 00:14:55.449 --> 00:15:16.594 [...] stable and won't merit. Additional remedial measures that just means we didn't find Tasca equivalent hotspots that is all that means, um, within the process material itself to samples. Liz, can you confirm that it was two samples of those process materials that were above fifty PPM. She can interject at any moment. 68 Mark Mank MDE 00:15:16.625 --> 00:15:37.745 But within that process material, that's the stuff that is on these concrete pads around the property within these confined areas, there were tosca equivalent concentrations of Pcds in two of those samples, we will, we will be dealing with all this in, in. 69 Mark Mank MDE 00:15:37.774 --> 00:15:45.094 Near future, um, but, uh, those areas are not along the creek. Let's go ahead and move to the next slide. 70 Lis Green 00:15:45.334 --> 00:15:47.554 Mark, if you can hear me, it was just about. 71 Mark Mank MDE 00:15:47.554 --> 00:15:47.944 Your file. 72 Lis Green 00:15:48.244 --> 00:15:51.514 Just one sample was over fifty PPM of the process material. 73 Mark Mank MDE 00:15:52.564 --> 00:15:53.854 There we go. Alright, thank you. 74 Mark Mank MDE 00:15:56.974 --> 00:16:16.564 Now, with, regarding regarding groundwater stormwater process, water, I'll start with what I would call the lower range of what we, what we got in this new dataset, the groundwater samples along the creek as you can see at the, at the very bottom bullet point, six thousand, two hundred and ten nine grams. 75 Mark Mank MDE 00:16:17.375 --> 00:16:38.375 The two hundred and ten nanogram sample, the bulk of the data is on the lower range of this, a couple samples or higher, but in general terms, the one to- one hundred range is where the bulk of the detections came in. We are still waiting a couple of data points. They. 76 Mark Mank MDE 00:16:38.379 --> 00:16:59.344 Are yet to be validated those, those Wells were installed later due to some subsurface difficulties that we encountered, so they had to be moved a little bit. I would call this a robust groundwater dataset, focusing on what could discharge to the creek. I will have to see. 77 Mark Mank MDE 00:16:59.554 --> 00:17:20.134 What we'll do with this data, the bulk of it is not as elevated as I was was nervous of, which is a good thing, but there, there will be more to come on that the stormwater dataset as you can see was, was limited before one hundred and sixty- nine gram concentrations. What I would like to highlight is the process water. 78 Mark Mank MDE 00:17:21.454 --> 00:17:41.824 Significant impacts exist within that process. Water as you can see that was the only portion of the dataset where we had in excess of one, um, one [...], [...] within that, um, many of those samples in the process water had elevated detections that material. 79 Mark Mank MDE 00:17:41.829 --> 00:17:57.124 Is within the confines of the facility, we'll be working through that in the very near future, but, uh, that, that all of the state is critical to our conceptual site model and our next steps you want to go ahead and move to the next slide. Please. 80 Mark Mank MDE 00:17:59.524 --> 00:18:19.894 Now with regard to the, what those next steps would be, this is a clop EPA [...]. So it involves both regulatory agencies, the previous one site sampling and this larger dataset will lead to. 81 Mark Mank MDE 00:18:19.925 --> 00:18:41.045 So we're finding another conceptual site model and send us to the next stage in the process that would would involve the response action plan by [...] and risk based disposal approval application to meet the EPA task arm. It's often in. 82 Mark Mank MDE 00:18:41.074 --> 00:19:02.194 [...] and it's going to take a period of time to do that. That doesn't mean that activity stops certain steps can occur more rapidly and I'll use a super fun equivalent terminology, and this, there may be operable units where I can do something and I'm not, you know, the world, the department can recommend and the responsible party. 83 Mark Mank MDE 00:19:02.224 --> 00:19:22.384 He can take the near- term actions in those operable areas while they develop additional remedial measures, we all know the to clean up the bank of a creek involves permitting at the State Army Corps level, all of those things that takes time to work through, it's an extremely dynamic. 84 Mark Mank MDE 00:19:24.184 --> 00:19:44.494 It is narrow, high volume. All of those things these efforts will begin very soon. We are waiting to get the additional data in. We will approve that site wide characterization report, post our comments on that, and then we move to that next step. There are ongoing characterization efforts that [...]. 85 Mark Mank MDE 00:19:44.499 --> 00:20:05.614 [...] is involved in, in and around the Joseph Smith property and that lower Beaverdam cri portion that's fish tissue all those things, but there's still a lot more to come. We have advanced to the next stage in this process, and I'm sure some of you may have questions what I would expect is over the next, it'll be, it'll, this will take time we will provide. 86 Mark Mank MDE 00:20:05.675 --> 00:20:26.795 Regular updates as to where we are on these things. I would say the next three to six months, um, the Joseph Smith processes it's going to be requiring them to submit certain documents to the department that will take some time to develop similar to what [...] has done on some of their facilities where they've reached that right here. 87 Mark Mank MDE 00:20:26.824 --> 00:20:39.904 The remedial phase, we are now at that stage to request those things and proceed forward and we'll wait till the end, but Liz you want to go ahead and pop to the next series of slides and thanks guys. 88 Chris Williams 00:20:44.104 --> 00:20:44.614 Thank you for. 89 Mark Mank MDE 00:20:44.614 --> 00:20:46.654 Advanced that yep. 90 Lis Green 00:20:56.464 --> 00:20:57.964 Can you confirm that you can hear me? 91 Chris Williams 00:20:59.074 --> 00:21:00.784 Yeah, we can hear you. Elizabeth, go ahead. 92 Lis Green 00:21:01.804 --> 00:21:14.734 Sorry, I, my computer really does not like Webex for some reason I apologize for that. I'm just going to give you a brief update on the rest of the work that [...] is doing and overseeing within the lower [...]. 93 Lis Green 00:21:14.855 --> 00:21:35.735 Creek watershed as I presented at the last meeting, EPA, we have a grant through Epa's pre- remedial program to conduct phase one and phase two work within the [...] drive area, which previous work by [...] indicates is another area where we have elevated [...] in settlements within Lower Beaverdam Creek. 94 Lis Green 00:21:36.095 --> 00:21:57.005 At the last leadership council meeting, I presented a bunch of number of aerial photographs from this area that Epa's contractor has has found and has been analyzing to identify potential areas of concern within the policy drive area that historical research report is expected to be submitted to [...] at the end of. 95 Lis Green 00:21:57.064 --> 00:22:18.124 March, and then the second phase of this project is actually going out in the field and the [...] drive area and conducting video surveys and collecting settlement and surface water and pour water samples within Lower Beaverdam Creek to identify inputs coming into the [...] system or potentially discharging directly into lower. 96 Lis Green 00:22:18.364 --> 00:22:39.334 Dam Creek, we use these data to help us identify potential sources on land of Pcds and then, you know, depending on what we find, hopefully be able to implement best management practices or perhaps, you know, implement controls on land read. 97 Lis Green 00:22:39.339 --> 00:23:00.214 [...] inputs to lower Beaverdam Creek. Um, as I said, we're, we're expecting a work plan for that to be completed by the end of the March. So we're still a couple of months out from having data to be able to present from this, but we're excited about the possibilities of the type of information that we'll be able to glean from this work that will be completed. 98 Lis Green 00:23:02.225 --> 00:23:21.575 Next slide, please. in addition to this work by EPA, we have an [...] is also ourselves. Um, has a number of characterization efforts ongoing throughout the lower Beaverdam watershed. One is sort of a complement to Dr. Company's work. 99 Lis Green 00:23:21.755 --> 00:23:32.225 On small fish throughout the anacostia watershed [...] has with help from the staff. 100 Lis Green 00:23:34.384 --> 00:23:35.284 For twenty years. 101 Lis Green 00:23:38.404 --> 00:23:41.344 Quarter said I don't need you to. 102 Lis Green 00:23:41.379 --> 00:23:55.534 Procurement issues [...] results from July. Two thousand and twenty- two are still pending. I'm really hoping that we'll be able to present those data by leadership council meeting and before we actually go out and sample again in two thousand and twenty- three. 103 Lis Green 00:23:56.945 --> 00:24:18.035 Mark mentioned we're continuing to do surface water and sentiment characterization both in the structure of Lower Beaverdam Creek that runs roughly through that Joseph Smith and Sons property, actually our field staff out yesterday doing another transaction of surface water and segment sampling through the Joseph Smith and funds property in the creek. 104 Lis Green 00:24:18.064 --> 00:24:39.154 Itself, um, in order to, you know, get get an idea of whether the concentrations in surface water in sediment are changing over time. At this point, we have, um, we're going on four years of data from, from this small section of Lower Beaverdam Creek. Um, and then in addition, we're doing surface water installs. 105 Lis Green 00:24:39.189 --> 00:24:40.024 Handling and. 106 Lis Green 00:24:42.010 --> 00:24:53.705 Properties adjacent to the job description sends property to, to sort of complete our conceptual site model of potential PCP sources to LBCC in this area. Please. 107 Lis Green 00:24:57.005 --> 00:25:17.165 And that is a quick summary of all the work that's been going on with, within MTA and [...] as Mark mentioned. Do you know the, the bulk of the work at this point. Our big focus is on just the Joseph Smith and Son's property and really helping them get to a point where they are managing and maintaining the Pcba's on site and not releasing to the creek. 108 Lis Green 00:25:17.975 --> 00:25:35.315 there'll be more work to come in that for sure as I mentioned in the Pencil Drive area, we have the [...] Forest or motor network mapping with help from our partners that [...] region three and then [...] on ongoing work with that. I gretchen we're on time. 109 gretchen mikeska 00:25:36.065 --> 00:25:38.225 Yeah, that's great. So there's. 110 gretchen mikeska 00:25:40.114 --> 00:25:45.484 In the chat from Ted [...], who's the consultant to proceed. 111 Richard Jackson 00:25:45.784 --> 00:25:48.034 Hey Gretchen, I think Mark have one more thing. You wanted to add. 112 gretchen mikeska 00:25:48.094 --> 00:25:48.904 Oh, Mark, sorry. 113 Mark Mank MDE 00:25:49.234 --> 00:25:59.554 Yep, that's okay. And I was about to answer that question, but the relevant I'd like to throw out there and communicate and you all may be aware of this because Liz has spoken to the. 114 Mark Mank MDE 00:25:59.584 --> 00:26:20.674 Several times the fish tissue data that we have performed is a little higher data density, not only within lower Beaverdam Creek, but I'll call it areas. We believe to be of higher quality within the lower portions of the Northeast Northwest Branch, so that will supplement darker pink needs work and. 115 Mark Mank MDE 00:26:21.214 --> 00:26:41.764 We've got a whole lot of fish tissue sampling and we will continue to do that so that we start to develop within [...] time series fish tissue datasets up and down that creek so that we can actually, um, hopefully monitor success reductions all the things that we all are striving for in that and I'll, I'll. 116 Mark Mank MDE 00:26:41.885 --> 00:27:03.005 Throw an answer out there to Todd Momentarily, but I can just speak to it. The sentiment data is not within the creek itself. It's what I would term preferential accumulated settlement in areas and this is not specific to because I haven't stood right on top of it, but let's just say flow paths for. 117 Mark Mank MDE 00:27:03.034 --> 00:27:24.154 Some drainage areas that accumulate along gutters or low areas on a property. that's what this is content or analysis was, was not performed. Um, I envision some of these areas as areas where you can take action a little more quickly than others more to come on that because of their discrete name. 118 Mark Mank MDE 00:27:24.159 --> 00:27:45.274 [...] they may be more of a, of a housekeeping nature. We're not at the point so I don't want to dig into that too much because obviously we have to, we've got a process that we need to follow, but that's what I would turn that tab. It is not within the creek and it is not going to get that forensic type of. 119 Mark Mank MDE 00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:47.104 Data from this at this point in time. 120 Mark Mank MDE 00:27:54.395 --> 00:27:56.195 Do we have other questions that anybody. 121 Chris Williams 00:27:56.825 --> 00:28:00.365 Yeah, Gretchen, I think there's another question popped up in the chat. 122 gretchen mikeska 00:28:02.945 --> 00:28:04.745 Okay, yes, um. 123 Mark Mank MDE 00:28:06.484 --> 00:28:08.404 Yeah, I'm, I'm reading that from a Paul. 124 gretchen mikeska 00:28:09.484 --> 00:28:25.504 Paul, yeah, thanks, well, let's just read it because some people on the phone thanks for the update from [...], those with, with those high process material, [...]. Is there also an occupational exposure issue of the workers at the GSS site that need to be. 125 Chris Williams 00:28:25.504 --> 00:28:26.614 Considered. 126 Mark Mank MDE 00:28:27.875 --> 00:28:48.605 So this, this is a circle equivalent process EPA tasks valuate all of those exposure routes the creek, obviously being the one that this particular leadership council is focused on, but we will evaluate all of those things that is, is an absolute. I would tell you. 127 Mark Mank MDE 00:28:49.264 --> 00:28:50.704 Um, in very. 128 Chris Williams 00:28:50.704 --> 00:28:51.124 General. 129 Mark Mank MDE 00:28:51.124 --> 00:29:09.874 Terms we haven't done that assessment yet. You use average concentrations, things like that. Given what, and this is very preliminary statement and, you know, take it for what it's worth at this point in time it's unlikely with the concentrations we've seen today that it would result in a while. 130 Mark Mank MDE 00:29:10.114 --> 00:29:31.054 Risk, but we will evaluate that they will be obligated to do that. They will all be obligated those things no different than any other circle process. So you've got the ecological and the protection of, of workers and resources and all those things. So all of that will transpire it's the data is just coming in and we're not at that validate. 131 Mark Mank MDE 00:29:31.059 --> 00:29:34.834 [...] phase, but Paul, you are correct. All of that will be evaluated. 132 gretchen mikeska 00:29:37.055 --> 00:29:46.535 Hey Marion has a question about water quality data, whereas water quality monitoring data published, and what data is being. 133 Mark Mank MDE 00:29:51.665 --> 00:30:09.545 So I'm not absolutely certain of your question, Marion, um, water quality data. Are you speaking to data that [...] has collected at within the creek. Be a little more specific marion please, if you can reach back out to us later on. 134 gretchen mikeska 00:30:10.714 --> 00:30:11.644 Go off mute. Just. 135 Marian 00:30:12.844 --> 00:30:21.664 Okay, yeah, you mentioned that you were gathering data on the water quality. So that's what I was asking. Yeah. 136 Mark Mank MDE 00:30:21.934 --> 00:30:31.684 Okay, that's my fault. Liz has presented that data, um, seemingly we can provide that to you again, we've got. 137 Mark Mank MDE 00:30:31.714 --> 00:30:52.834 And presentation and we will get you that I think the proceedings of these presentations correction. I'm pretty confident, you have a lot of that work, so I would tell you, I can't tell you which presentation we specify that information, but yes, it exists Mary and it may not be on our website. 138 Mark Mank MDE 00:30:52.864 --> 00:30:59.764 But it's within the, uh, this series of data that the Leadership council publishes each time. 139 gretchen mikeska 00:31:00.814 --> 00:31:10.954 Yeah, so if you could just look back and see what meeting that was at. That's all on our website. So, will tell us and we'll let, you know. 140 Chris Williams 00:31:14.554 --> 00:31:23.314 Alright, there are no more questions for Mark and Liz in the chat. Does it do any council members have questions for them? Do you want to pop off mute? 141 Chris Williams 00:31:30.784 --> 00:31:47.404 Okay, um, then let's go ahead and move on to our next speaker, our own Gretchen Mchenga, um, Gretchen is the Anacostia Coordinator for the Department of Energy in the environment. She keeps director Jackson up to date. 142 Chris Williams 00:31:48.184 --> 00:32:08.524 Many aspects of the cost you reverse settlement project natural resource damage assessment and she coordinates with Anacostia River, cord or stakeholders. She also serves as the district trustee representative to the Anacostia River, natural resource damage assessment. So she is the perfect person to give this update. So. 143 Chris Williams 00:32:09.034 --> 00:32:09.934 Take it away Gretchen. 144 gretchen mikeska 00:32:12.064 --> 00:32:30.124 Thank you Chris. So this, we started the process three years ago, almost exactly to this date. So as I always recall, that was the last meeting we had before we went into pandemic lockdown. 145 gretchen mikeska 00:32:30.155 --> 00:32:33.485 so we've been at this three years. 146 gretchen mikeska 00:32:34.535 --> 00:32:44.285 admittedly is a slow process and that's what the experts on NRDA tell us and, but I think we're progressing along quite well. 147 gretchen mikeska 00:32:45.875 --> 00:33:06.785 Next slide, David. So this is a slide that I always show just to show the overall arch of the NRDA process. It's actually from NOAA and so we have finished the first phase we are now 148 gretchen mikeska 00:33:06.814 --> 00:33:25.174 In phase two and phase two is reporting lead the longest phase of NRDA, and so that will be at phase two for a while, but we have made some significant progress and that's what I be updating you on today. Next slide. 149 gretchen mikeska 00:33:28.684 --> 00:33:48.694 So I usually share this slide again, just to keep us consistent. So the overall focus of NRDA is to determine the compensation for natural resource injuries and service losses, including loss, human uses, considering. 150 gretchen mikeska 00:33:49.264 --> 00:34:10.233 environmental justice implications. And that's all due to the releases of hazard substances and I'll be talking about this in some of the subsequent slides the district focus is determining the compensation for lost groundwater injuries. The big news we have for. 151 gretchen mikeska 00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:31.385 For this quarter's report is that we have produced a damage assessment plan and it's called the DAP and that's currently under review by the trustees. We actually just completed yesterday the first draft. 152 gretchen mikeska 00:34:31.565 --> 00:34:52.534 Review, so we had a series of meetings where we went through the DAP and provided comments. There was about one hundred comments. So essentially the DAP, there aren't any findings in this document. It's essentially a process document. It says what injury. 153 gretchen mikeska 00:34:52.624 --> 00:35:13.654 So we're going to look at and what losses we're going to consider and then add some insight to how the monetary aspects of those, whether it's money or restoration projects will be looked at. So essentially it's a process document. 154 gretchen mikeska 00:35:13.689 --> 00:35:33.964 [...] and the DAP itself is going to be under, public review, so it will be available to look at, We're hoping in the late spring. we will have it at a number locations for hard copies. 155 gretchen mikeska 00:35:35.074 --> 00:35:55.984 Libraries, we will also put a notice in the DC register this group since you're kind of the group that's in the NRDA, of course will be alerted to it. It will be posted on the ARSP website under the NRDA tab. 156 gretchen mikeska 00:35:56.045 --> 00:36:17.135 So you'll see it there and we haven't decided what the review period will be minimum of thirty days and so we haven't decided that yet because it really is kind of hot off the press and we have really just started looking at it, but we are trying to move through quickly. we have consultant assistance for our efforts. 157 gretchen mikeska 00:36:18.245 --> 00:36:38.285 The National Park Service is engaging industrial economics on the river wide NRDA on behalf of the NRDA trustees and they are the entity that produced this DAP that we're looking at now and also [...] under contract to the district to assist on groundwater and the. 158 gretchen mikeska 00:36:38.314 --> 00:36:42.664 EJ assessments next slide. Please. 159 gretchen mikeska 00:36:47.165 --> 00:37:04.865 Okay, so the DAP study area, it's essentially the same as the ARSP study area. So actually this slide is taken from our, probably from our [...]. So you see it starts at the 160 gretchen mikeska 00:37:05.254 --> 00:37:26.224 East northwest Branch in Maryland continues down to the confluence with the Potomac and again, overall the DAP establishes the process for assessing the natural resource injury and service losses the ecological injuries that we're considering. 161 gretchen mikeska 00:37:26.524 --> 00:37:47.374 Considering or the impact to representative species and a lot of those species, as, you know, even from the settlement project, we spent a lot lot of time looking at the fish because the fish are very important, however, we also will take another look at mammals and birds. 162 gretchen mikeska 00:37:48.155 --> 00:38:08.195 And then also the impacted habitat, which of course the aquatic habitat in the actual river settlements and then the connected wetlands the groundwater injuries that the district are looking at and the reason that the district is looking at the groundwater, the way that that's looked at, from NRDA 163 gretchen mikeska 00:38:09.004 --> 00:38:29.674 Is the groundwater is under a specific piece of land and the land is owned by states and in this case, the district is being considered state. So it's the state responsibility if they want to assess groundwater injuries, they have to do that. in addition to. 164 gretchen mikeska 00:38:29.705 --> 00:38:50.825 To the overall trustee obligations, so we are doing that, and essentially we are looking at the volume of groundwater that is contaminated, then the other very important item is the last human service last human use services and so it's. 165 gretchen mikeska 00:38:50.829 --> 00:39:11.974 [...], because the river was contaminated. What were the reduced opportunities that the residents and other river users were afflicted with. So we're looking at fishing recreation and subsistence voting swimming, and so that's how we're. 166 gretchen mikeska 00:39:12.004 --> 00:39:17.434 assessuing lost human use services for the Anacostia river. Next slide, please. 167 gretchen mikeska 00:39:19.384 --> 00:39:40.144 Then just a little bit more focused on the district as I said [...] we have [...] actually, because they're helping each of us. There's a firewall between both IEc groups. for the groundwater damage assessment, Apurva is actually leading that effort. 168 gretchen mikeska 00:39:40.205 --> 00:40:01.325 And directing [...] and she can answer any questions on that specifically, but the goal is to assess the impacts of the hazard substance on the groundwater services, did the contamination of surface soils impact groundwater resources. right now they are adding groundwater data into the DIVER database from the [...] and. 169 gretchen mikeska 00:40:01.329 --> 00:40:22.474 preparing the plume maps to determine the volume of impacted groundwater. the environmental justice considerations is interesting. This, this is basically as I understand, probably the first time that a state or a NRDA group. 170 gretchen mikeska 00:40:22.504 --> 00:40:43.624 Has look specifically at trying to quantify what the environmental justice considerations. Dev Murali and I were just at the eleventh annual international sediments conference and talked about this there. 171 gretchen mikeska 00:40:44.345 --> 00:41:04.775 And there's a lot of the other sediment projects across the country that are cleaning up rivers and were very interested in our progress and the fact that we're taking this on, so we'll see how it goes. It's kind of a new. 172 gretchen mikeska 00:41:06.274 --> 00:41:25.924 Process, but basically, we're going to evaluate the impact of hazard substance contamination on a human use services again, reduction of quality and quantity of natural resources that would have been provided by the Anacostia River. If there hadn't been contamination so [...] right now. 173 gretchen mikeska 00:41:25.930 --> 00:41:42.305 we're compiling documentary evidence that describes the unique relationship between local communities, Anacostia River and then generating these quantitative and qualitative measures for assessing these losses and next slide. 174 gretchen mikeska 00:41:44.524 --> 00:42:05.404 So this is the trustee representatives for the Anacostia [...]. I believe everybody is on the call today. So for NOAA it's Diane Evers, for DOI represented by both the National Park Service and US Fish and wildlife is. 175 gretchen mikeska 00:42:05.854 --> 00:42:25.414 For park service, Christina Kravitz and then our own Fred Pickney and as mentioned earlier I'm the trustee representative for the district, so that is our update for this leadership council. Any questions. 176 Chris Williams 00:42:29.374 --> 00:42:37.534 Thanks Gretchen, there is one question in the chat from Trey about how the draft DAP document. 177 gretchen mikeska 00:42:37.954 --> 00:42:43.804 How large I might have to check the page numbers. 178 Chris Williams 00:42:44.224 --> 00:42:47.674 Fifty pages, five hundred pages. What, what's the scale we're looking at? 179 gretchen mikeska 00:42:47.764 --> 00:42:53.704 No, it's more of a NPS document probably I probably can check. 180 Richard Jackson 00:42:54.634 --> 00:42:56.554 The answer is, yes, there's. 181 Chris Williams 00:42:56.554 --> 00:43:00.214 An answer in the chat sixty- four pages, it may go up or down a little. 182 gretchen mikeska 00:43:00.274 --> 00:43:00.664 Okay. 183 Chris Williams 00:43:01.564 --> 00:43:08.344 Thank you, Christina. Marian asks, will there be listening sessions for the community public. 184 Chris Williams 00:43:09.395 --> 00:43:11.705 Community and public about the DAP. 185 gretchen mikeska 00:43:11.945 --> 00:43:30.005 There probably there won't be for this DAP document, it's kind of a technical document and I think it's going to be interesting to this group, but it's certainly when we move down the process and we're talking. 186 gretchen mikeska 00:43:30.334 --> 00:43:51.124 About actual restoration projects that we'll be looking at that will be where there'll be very robust public engagement. we do want as I said, the DAP will go out for public comment, but we're not planning on a public meeting for it because it's not that kind of doc. 187 gretchen mikeska 00:43:51.184 --> 00:44:12.274 that is really suitable for a public meeting. that said, you know, we really just got this document there could be some updated thinking on that, but, we'll see. Marian was saying maybe we can do a report at APACC. That's a consideration because again, that's a group that. 188 gretchen mikeska 00:44:12.309 --> 00:44:26.854 Has followed the anacostia corridor and all the twists and turns over the years so that could be an appropriate platform for discussing some of the specifics of the damage assessment plan. 189 Chris Williams 00:44:29.254 --> 00:44:37.564 And Gretchen one more question for the chat, and then I'm going to go to Trey who has his handout mentioned when will that will be available? 190 gretchen mikeska 00:44:39.334 --> 00:44:44.794 We're saying right now, Spring, I think it's going to be more late spring. We talked about this yesterday. 191 gretchen mikeska 00:44:46.174 --> 00:45:06.724 As I said, we just did the first round, so we had the draft then we need draft to, and our trustee council is even though it's only four representatives we have our backup team, so it's a large number of people who, um, review quite seriously the documents. So probably. 192 gretchen mikeska 00:45:07.414 --> 00:45:10.504 Spring best case is what we discussed yesterday. 193 Chris Williams 00:45:12.034 --> 00:45:20.974 Thanks Gretchen, those of you who want to put a few more questions in the chat, if you have them feel free to do. So in the meantime, I'm going to go to trade the Anacostia Riverkeeper. 194 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:45:21.664 --> 00:45:32.584 Chris Gretchen, for that presentation, I'm glad to hear that It is going to be up for a public comment and that the main documents sixty four pages ballpark. 195 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:45:32.705 --> 00:45:36.065 How many pages have appendices? Are we talking for this? This document. 196 gretchen mikeska 00:45:38.319 --> 00:45:47.734 Let's see Christina Kravitz is she's actually directing IEc on the DAP document, So she really is the document experts. So. 197 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:45:48.574 --> 00:45:50.224 I'll wait and see what she does. In fact. 198 gretchen mikeska 00:45:50.764 --> 00:45:51.394 She'll probably put it in. 199 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:45:51.394 --> 00:45:51.484 The. 200 gretchen mikeska 00:45:51.484 --> 00:45:51.724 Chat. 201 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:45:52.024 --> 00:45:59.374 I had another question. I was glad to hear that, you talked about doing some more testing with regards to the. 202 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:45:59.469 --> 00:46:20.044 process and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, there was one really, really glaring gap in the ecological health risk assessment in the RI work leading to the interim ROD and that was that birds of prey were not sample. They were only modeled. 203 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:46:20.645 --> 00:46:40.535 Which for a watershed celebrating the return of eagles and a very healthy population of Ospreys was really surprising to me, and I get that there's some stress to the animals, but I thought there were a lot of non- invasive or minimally invasive ways to test feathers, egg residues after they had. 204 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:46:41.769 --> 00:47:02.074 Pick a material that's not actually going to be a lethal or even likely to be legal sampling. Am I am I correct that there was a gap first in the work for the interim ROD and I might also correct that there are sufficiently safe ways to sample for that because we just saw one female eagle. 205 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:23.345 Stop successfully breeding and, you know, it was easy to point to the guy for a couple of years, but then he has a new mate and they are successfully breeding again as I understand it, that, that makes me think body load of toxics is my first thought because it's no one's actually tested it. I hope that the gap that we can close as we go into the nurture process. 206 gretchen mikeska 00:47:24.694 --> 00:47:44.824 So my trustee representatives can also weigh in here, so to answer your question, we are not committed to new testing. I'm not saying that we won't do it. We're going to try to rely on the data we had what I said was new, We will revisit some of these issues so that will be one. We can revisit. 207 gretchen mikeska 00:47:45.424 --> 00:48:06.364 And, you know, Dev might want to weigh in on this as far as, for the ARSP. It was kind of early on that we, we looked at those and we found that the major health risk to human health in the environment was the fish and then the fish consumption. So the, that process. 208 gretchen mikeska 00:48:06.395 --> 00:48:27.515 Basically excluded that the risks to mammals and birds were not significant, but that's why we will reassess it for the natural resource damage assessment, but we're not at this point committed to collecting any new data, but it's not one hundred percent 209 gretchen mikeska 00:48:27.574 --> 00:48:32.884 Off the table, but please anyone else from the NRDA trustees, if you want to add to that. 210 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:48:33.814 --> 00:48:48.544 Thank you Gretchen. That, that's good to hear. I hope that, that y'all do choose to close that gap because I was frankly surprised at the findings of the ecological risk assessment that there was no significant risk given the fact that the best. 211 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:48:48.670 --> 00:49:09.755 [...] indicator was not actually sampled, but only sort of vaguely modeled either with a science background. I had a pretty hard time peeling that apart and we focused more on the human health risk assessment and all the work with that going forward, but as we get into specifically looking at natural resources, I think it's one that needs to be revisited, especially for. 212 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:49:10.174 --> 00:49:11.434 Birds as important as those. 213 dev murali 00:49:15.124 --> 00:49:35.194 Let me think about it and discuss this internally and see what we can do, and if- if they feel that there is specific data that needs to be collected, we can definitely consider, but obviously, you know, based on the [...] there was no ecological risk and that's exactly what we. 214 dev murali 00:49:35.524 --> 00:49:46.864 finalizing the when we put [...]. So, so let me discuss internally and take a second. Look at it to see if there are any changes that we need to make we will definitely consider. 215 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:49:47.404 --> 00:49:56.134 Thank you, yeah, because again that respect in the previous work in the [...] I found that to be a big gap in the [...]. So any premises built on that is. 216 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:49:56.349 --> 00:50:01.234 Something that I think I'm calling it the question as we go forward and we'd like to see it firmed up or changed. 217 fred pinkney 00:50:06.664 --> 00:50:08.434 This is Fred, I just 218 fred pinkney 00:50:09.574 --> 00:50:11.614 I did look at the. 219 Chris Williams 00:50:11.614 --> 00:50:12.694 Available. 220 fred pinkney 00:50:12.874 --> 00:50:18.184 Literature on bird studies. And there's, there's a few. 221 Chris Williams 00:50:18.184 --> 00:50:18.454 There's. 222 fred pinkney 00:50:18.454 --> 00:50:24.994 Not large numbers. I can send you those reports and you can look at them. 223 Anacostia Riverkeeper 00:50:25.774 --> 00:50:26.854 that'd be great. Thank you for. 224 Chris Williams 00:50:29.404 --> 00:50:43.954 Thanks, Ray and Fred and Dev for that, and there's an answer from Christina about the page question in the chat. Does anybody else have any other questions for Gretchen? 225 Chris Williams 00:50:47.915 --> 00:51:08.255 I'm going to kick off my co- chair half for just a minute and put on my AWS hat and urge Gretchen and the members of the NRDA team to just sort of picking up on Marian's comment to have as much interaction with the public and with stakeholders in that process. 226 Chris Williams 00:51:08.284 --> 00:51:28.894 As possible, I recognize that the NRDA process is a qualified judicial process and sometimes you can't be as open in public with meetings and sometimes information as you might like to be, but where you have the opportunity to keep all of us and all the other stakeholders informed about what you're finding and the process going forward. 227 Chris Williams 00:51:29.915 --> 00:51:49.535 The better, um, I also have a question, Gretchen, is there any sense of how long this process is going to take and whether it tracks with the, the overall process of the planning and implementation of the remediation. In other words, is there a, is there a. 228 Chris Williams 00:51:50.734 --> 00:52:09.964 Is there a sense that this is all going to proceed together or is it possible that we'll complete a lot of the, the remediation studies and the [...] process will go on for potentially hears after that? W- w- what's your sense of the timing of all this and how it all fits together? That might be an unfair question, given all let's give it a try. 229 gretchen mikeska 00:52:09.964 --> 00:52:11.584 Well, I can. 230 gretchen mikeska 00:52:11.734 --> 00:52:32.644 I'll let Diana from NOAA respond, since she has a long history of how this works. I think 231 gretchen mikeska 00:52:32.884 --> 00:52:54.004 That's definitely moving faster and on its own schedule, when there's opportunity to do restoration with the remediation, we will do that. We are trying to move a clean up of the early action areas on, as quickly as possible. So in our case we will look for. 232 gretchen mikeska 00:52:54.034 --> 00:53:15.124 Opportunities for, you know, for example, if we say, Oh, we want to, we're going to have some dredge equipment out and we can use some of the same equipment to rebuild the wetlands we already identified, you know, we will try to make it so the minimal impact of the river itself, if possible we want, we want to stick to the sentiment. 233 gretchen mikeska 00:53:15.185 --> 00:53:36.305 NRDA schedule, but Diane, if you want to say, in general, how long NRDA projects last and how they might go on concurrently or with a separate assessment that you're welcome to add that in because she has a history. 234 gretchen mikeska 00:53:36.309 --> 00:53:40.864 Of working with a lot of other sites as opposed to us here in the district. This is our first one. 235 gretchen mikeska 00:53:47.614 --> 00:53:50.404 hope she's still on. 236 Chris Williams 00:53:53.434 --> 00:53:54.694 Christina, do you want to add anything? 237 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:53:56.434 --> 00:53:56.824 Yeah. 238 gretchen mikeska 00:53:57.844 --> 00:53:59.284 Christina, you can also. 239 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:54:00.244 --> 00:54:12.964 Yeah, so do general, sorry I hear feedback. Hopefully you guys don't, but they do go hand in hand with clean. 240 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:54:12.994 --> 00:54:34.114 Up, um, the one thing to remember is the narrative regulations are really look at and need to be informed in terms of what clean up accomplishes because if there's any residual injury that's then in the purview of Murda, so they do go hand in hand, it's hard some. 241 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:54:34.120 --> 00:54:55.145 That you can set all before all of the cleanup is done, but then the trustees are making a lot of assumptions with the responsible parties in terms of what's going to happen. What's this state of the environment after the clean up actions are complete. Um, so. 242 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:54:55.504 --> 00:55:16.144 I think that answered the question, in terms of how they, how they happen, uh, and so to that end, it is sometimes we do wait or really have to wait until all the cleanup actions are complete. Are we at least know what? 243 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:55:16.624 --> 00:55:37.474 The goals are for the clean up and what the anticipated results of the cleanup is because that factors into our piece and sometimes responsible parties don't want to work with the trustees before that process. So sometimes it is fully. 244 Christina Kravitz NPS 00:55:37.594 --> 00:55:56.494 After the process of cleanup where the nerve then continues on and can happen for a few years after otherwise it's, you know, but we, we currently are trying to work hand in hand with clean up to, um, to try and move things along. 245 Chris Williams 00:56:00.514 --> 00:56:17.434 Thanks very much Christina and also thank you for your observations about questions that are in the chat and Trey has some response to that. So when you get a second, take a look at that in the meantime, any other questions about the natural resource damage assessment. 246 Chris Williams 00:56:24.095 --> 00:56:33.965 Okay, thank you very much Christina for that update, That was really terrific very helpful next up, excuse me. 247 Chris Williams 00:56:35.495 --> 00:56:46.415 Next step is progress on swimming. We'll Anacostia River and this is going to be presented by Alicia Ritzenthaler. I hope I haven't mangled your name. 248 Chris Williams 00:56:48.664 --> 00:57:09.214 Alicia is an environmental protection specialist with the Department of Energy in the environment. She's responsible for Chesapeake Bay program, best Management Practices Reporting and is the point of contact regarding [...] implementation planning and she leads the rapid stream assessment program and help support a variety of water quality division access. 249 Chris Williams 00:57:10.174 --> 00:57:21.154 Including the stream condition in index and the maps, the making the Anacostia and Potomac Swindle Initiative, which she's going to talk about right now. So over to you, Alicia. 250 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:57:23.014 --> 00:57:24.334 Great, thanks so much. 251 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:57:26.139 --> 00:57:47.254 Excited, I'll jump right in, um, today I'm going to share about the map initiative that does stand for the making the Anacostia mix for mobile. Um, it's an initiative that [...] has begun to draft to think about what may look like in the future in the district. I'm going to touch on the current swimming opportunities here. local water quality conditions, and this. 252 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:57:47.314 --> 00:57:53.374 What we hope will be next for swimming in the district, um, go to the next slide. 253 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:57:58.174 --> 00:58:01.774 I think we have a different set of slides that's okay. 254 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:23.945 anecdotally, we know that swimming occurs in both the Anacostia rivers, there is a swim ban in the district at both the local and the federal level. The swim dates, the swim bans, pre- date home rule. They go back almost fifty years. Um, but right now you can legally swim in the district under. 255 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:58:23.949 --> 00:58:44.134 The special event permit process special event permits are issued by [...]. We've worked very hard to improve the special event permit process recently, and hopefully the organizations that are seeking to host special, some events are already finding that process to be smoother as water quality continues to improve. 256 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:58:45.099 --> 00:58:55.744 [...] is trying to look forward to increasing swimming opportunities. Um, and he's interested in establishing a more routine swimming program once the bands are lifted, go to the next slide. 257 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:58:58.504 --> 00:59:18.124 What a quality division has a lot of data about bacterial water quality, specifically in both the Anacostia and Patrolman rivers in the past five years there's been over sixteen hundred measurements that'd be cool. I collected in the two rivers between the month of May in September when it's typically warm enough for people to consider swimming. 258 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:59:19.265 --> 00:59:39.965 Did it comes primarily from the water quality portal, the citizen Science Monitoring program, the DOEE Watershed Monitoring Lab also has a monitoring location near Chain bridge in the Potomac River that we also have data for, unfortunately the past data, I can't necessarily tell us what the water is currently safe. This women at this very. 259 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 00:59:41.164 --> 00:59:57.964 Material water quality. It's highly variable, which we'll see in a moment, but the data that we have in the past can give us insight into water quality more generally and provide us an informed basis for taking the next steps towards swimming. Move to the next slide. 260 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:00:01.024 --> 01:00:20.584 With this animation here on the screen illustrates is the variability of bacterial water quality over time in space. The yellow points indicate locations and times where samples were collected and found to be below the single sample maximum standard for e- coli, the red points indicate. 261 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:00:21.244 --> 01:00:42.124 Where the sample exceeded the single sample maximum value at the times and in those locations, hopefully what you're getting a sense of here as you watch this animation is the variability in both time and space. The animation runs for a few minutes. What the whole thing go, but I'll just pause for a couple of moments. 262 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:00:42.275 --> 01:00:45.035 That you can take it in before we move to the next slide. 263 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:00:49.954 --> 01:01:07.504 All right, let's go ahead and move to the next slide. Hopefully people are getting a sense of that we know that water quality varies both by date and location, but there are several locations both in the Anacostia River that path relatively often based on past data using the same dataset that we. 264 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:01:07.509 --> 01:01:28.654 You use to populate the animation you solve these charts, summarize what fraction of sample in the past five years between May and September that were collected path or violate the single sample maximum standard for [...]. The green bars are the ones that pass and the red bars indicate the fraction that didn't pass. 265 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:01:29.705 --> 01:01:49.805 The takeaway from this data is that bacteria water quality conditions are not always safe for swimming, but that there are numerous days on which bacteria water quality conditions may be supported for swimming now bacterial water quality conditions do very by location and segment on the river, but some places. 266 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:01:49.809 --> 01:02:10.924 Is along both the [...] River Support safe swimming conditions, more often than others. Those are ones where those green bars are larger. The conclusion here from the historic data is that there's potential for safe swimming because all of this data is retrospective though we need. 267 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:02:10.959 --> 01:02:21.004 To establish a way to determine which days and locations are safe for swimming on a given day in the present, connect go to the next slide. 268 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:02:22.955 --> 01:02:42.815 Ideally, we've begun to draft a multi- year roadmap that looks forward to moving us towards a new swimming program that goes beyond the existing special event structure. Um, again, this would be after the bandwidth is lifted, but we recognize that there's many things that would need to happen. 269 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:02:43.414 --> 01:03:04.264 Before the Disrict is prepared to launch a swim program and so we want to try to set ourselves up to be prepared for that when the swim bands are lifted. So this table and the text is small, but it summarizes a bunch of the activities that we've started brainstorming that would need to happen to be ready and you can see on the right hand side, those green and yellow arrows indicate. 270 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:03:04.834 --> 01:03:18.154 Sorry, the screen in blue arrows, indicate activities and tasks that we've already gotten started on. There's two activities that we've identified as critical next steps, you can move to the next slide. 271 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:03:20.705 --> 01:03:40.325 The two critical next steps we've identified are conducting a site pilot studies and Oregon, some sort of inner agency working group to address some non- water quality specific considerations around swimming. We are currently seeking funding to begin the site specific swim pilots, um. 272 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:03:41.224 --> 01:04:02.194 We'll talk about what those can involve and just a minute, but the purpose of these pilots would to develop a toolbox of science based decision making tools that we can then use to, hopefully manage a swim program in the future. The pilots would be specifically targeted at closing the gaps in our existing data to. 273 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:04:02.349 --> 01:04:23.494 Answer that question. That's sort of elusive right now, which is on which specific days is swimming safe at which locations the second step that we've identified as being critical is beginning to address the non- water quality aspects of assuming program presuming program to be successful. We also need to make. 274 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:04:23.499 --> 01:04:44.614 Sure that there's an appropriate amount of time and resources dedicated to developing a robust outreach strategy to communicate water quality and swimming conditions to the public. So we'll talk about both of these steps. um, next we can move to the next slide again, the purpose of these sites. 275 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:04:44.674 --> 01:05:05.794 Six pilots is to build out a toolbox of things that we could choose from to manage recreational water quality going forward. These are not all things that we wouldn't necessarily continue at every site every year for years and years to come, but they would help us learn what tools are useful in our local waterbodies and again, help us develop. 276 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:05:05.825 --> 01:05:26.945 That toolbox, one thing that we'd like to do is to pilot a daily monitoring program of both Nikolai and Coxa by doing a daily side by- side monitoring for both indicators, it would allow us to potentially set the stage for adopting a method that EPA has approved for rapid [...]. That would allow [...]. 277 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:05:27.034 --> 01:05:48.094 E- obtain results in a matter of hours instead of next day as you saw in the animation, a few slides ago, the next day results are not always reflective of current water quality conditions and so obtaining results that are timely within a matter of perhaps hours, instead of days is very important. 278 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:05:48.124 --> 01:06:09.244 To protecting public health. The pilot would also provide an opportunity to dry run the logistics of what it would take to run and operate a daily monitoring program before we were to attempt it in an operational capacity, the fluids and instrument is a novel in. 279 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:06:09.249 --> 01:06:30.394 [...] that [...] and [...] have joined together to test in the Anacostia River. The photos on this slide are the fluidity and alert to instrument that we'll be testing this summer. This is the one piece that we do have funding for the instrument requires additional ground proofing in our local water. 280 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:06:30.399 --> 01:06:51.544 buddies before we can use it for public health decision making, but our hope is that this instrument would allow us to rapidly, honestly quantify, cool, I add the swimming locations. The fluid in instrument isn't autonomous instruments that could significantly reduce the personnel resources that are necessary to obtain. 281 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:06:51.550 --> 01:07:12.695 [...] rapid equalizer results. Um, if successful, we think could potentially revolutionize how swimming management decisions made in the future and establish DC as an emerging leader in the recreational water quality community. Unfortunately, bacterial water quality is not the only. 282 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:07:12.724 --> 01:07:33.784 Aspect, which impacts us from our safety. Uh, there are other site conditions such as water temperature, strong currents, large floating debrief boat traffic. Those things can also play a role and from a safety. Um, so if we could obtain funding, we'd also like to employ vinyl booth at the swimming locations, which would provide additional. 283 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:07:34.264 --> 01:07:54.904 Site information in real time. the real time information about things like water temperature and currents and wave height may also be valuable to members of the boating and recreational fishing communities, not just the swimming community and lastly, for these sites, specific pilots, if we had the. 284 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:07:55.174 --> 01:08:16.113 Unity to conduct additional microbial source. I think at these locations that could provide us additional valuable insight into the specific sources that are impacting these locations, so that if needed, we can really target effectively what are quality improvements at these swimming sites. Next slide. 285 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:08:18.633 --> 01:08:37.173 Oh, I'm missing one. I will just talk briefly then about the work group while the swimming pilot is happening. We'd also like to gather a group together to begin addressing the non- water quality aspects of the swimming program. The hope is that this. 286 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:08:37.835 --> 01:08:58.444 Inter- agency interdisciplinary work group would be able to take on responsibility for leading external communication and collaboration both with other agencies and with the community developing a consensus around a shared vision for some ability. I think is essential to ensuring that when achieved some ability reflects desire. 287 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:08:58.474 --> 01:09:19.234 Outcomes for all of the stakeholders, um, feedback from partner agencies from community events from public comment will help us inform what this maps initiative looks like going forward so that, again, when swimming is achieved, it reflects outcomes of all of our. 288 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:09:20.105 --> 01:09:22.595 All of our stakeholders, um. 289 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:09:23.854 --> 01:09:44.943 And so I'll just pause to recap [...] is very interested at this time and continuing to increase public swimming opportunities in both the [...] rivers as most of, you know, the water quality has improved dramatically in recent years, and so [...] is trying to put our. 290 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:09:45.064 --> 01:10:06.124 I was in a position where we're ready toolboxes management strategies when the bands are lifted. We're seeking funding for that. We're collaborating with USPS to test new promising models. Um, and we're preparing to start the process of, um, inter- agency teamwork and kicking off. 291 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:10:06.155 --> 01:10:14.765 Stakeholder engagement, um, I think we might have some time for questions, but I'll kick it back over to our hosts. Um, we don't feel free to reach out. 292 Chris Williams 01:10:16.384 --> 01:10:32.404 We do have time for questions. We have one in the chat tab. Has there been any analysis of historical data to determine environmental commonalities for days on which the equalized standard was violated. 293 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:10:33.904 --> 01:10:37.144 We have tried to look at that and I think I'm. 294 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:10:37.174 --> 01:10:43.684 Actually going to kick it over to AD. He can, I think better address the modeling work that we've done to, to address that question. 295 Ed Dunne DC DOEE 01:10:45.244 --> 01:10:56.974 Thanks Felicia. Hi, everyone my name is Don and I work in the water quality division. W- w- we have produced the historical data for, for causative facts and to share a few examples. 296 Ed Dunne DC DOEE 01:10:58.445 --> 01:11:19.445 With [...] over the last two years to look at that very question, and my understanding is what [...] is finding from my whole range of datasets both hours. There's and some of the collected datasets is some loose associations with things like discharge temperature, but there's. 297 Ed Dunne DC DOEE 01:11:19.564 --> 01:11:40.204 Certainly not anything, Yeah, or at least we have not found, yes, tight predictive relationship. We have one more year of a working relationship with [...] and some of this information, so we're hoping to keep increasing our understanding what the intent that we're, we're working direction towards. 298 Ed Dunne DC DOEE 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:43.235 Predictive model if those relationships exist. 299 Chris Williams 01:11:47.105 --> 01:11:56.855 Thank you, Ed. Edge information is now in the chat if you want to learn more from him about this. thank you Gretchen. Any other questions for Alicia? 300 Chris Williams 01:12:04.325 --> 01:12:08.435 Alright, thank you very much Alisha. That was terrific and we're. 301 Alicia Ritzenthaler she/her 01:12:08.435 --> 01:12:08.825 Finding. 302 Chris Williams 01:12:10.085 --> 01:12:14.735 We're all very excited about the working while we're doing on this and are happy to help you do it. 303 Chris Williams 01:12:15.875 --> 01:12:23.495 Um, so moving on, we are doing really well timewise we're going to move on to, um. 304 Chris Williams 01:12:24.814 --> 01:12:44.824 The Anacostia River sentiment project update with Dev morality Dev is the remedial project manager for the ANA costumer sentiment project. He's responsible implementing the interim record of decision and determining its longterm effectiveness and I believe he's going to be joined in this discussion by Reymont also. 305 Chris Williams 01:12:46.384 --> 01:12:49.684 Is the [...]. 306 Chris Williams 01:12:50.494 --> 01:13:03.574 Renew a project manager for the three sites on the intercom and it costs you River. We're NPS to delete agency, Kenilworth Park Landfill, Washington Gaslight and popular Point. So take it away. 307 dev murali 01:13:05.344 --> 01:13:17.614 Hey, Chris, good morning everyone. So again, I'm going to be talking about the current status where we are on the Anacostia Diversity project. So starting with that, so let's go to the next slide, Please. 308 dev murali 01:13:19.325 --> 01:13:28.145 So we're talking about specifically, I'm more specific on [...] Lake and I think it's time for the remedy change [...], and why is it next slide? Please? 309 dev murali 01:13:30.724 --> 01:13:50.314 To give you a little bit of background in terms of what, what we have kind of discovered thus far is looking at some of the early actionary delineation using the pre- design investigation studies and then looking at some of the conceptual model and understanding some of the sources that are potential. 310 dev murali 01:13:50.344 --> 01:14:11.464 Responsible for some of the activities that have taken place over the course of the time, and then looking at historical perspective in terms of the, how those processes have evolved over the last twenty- five years and looking at the wetland installation and then the construction and monitoring of those wetlands, and then what the next steps, what will be the. 311 dev murali 01:14:11.494 --> 01:14:32.614 Next steps, and then what are some of the modification or the remedy we're talking about, and what are some of the milestones that we have in mind and then some of the references, so that kind of pertains to backup documentation of what we will be presenting here next slide please. So this is the [...], I think. 312 dev murali 01:14:32.645 --> 01:14:53.765 I talked about this and then in the past presentation, I think, uh, specifically for, uh, like, uh, area one, which is [...] one, which was basically [...] will be designated this wasn't a one point one acres and now from the pre- design investigations that pose delineation, uh, [...]. 313 dev murali 01:14:53.914 --> 01:15:02.644 Has gone down two point, two, two acres, again, that is based on this tapping and step out sampling specifically for [...]. So next slide, please. 314 dev murali 01:15:06.155 --> 01:15:12.095 This is a- this is for the area two and area three [...]. 315 dev murali 01:15:12.100 --> 01:15:33.245 [...] and as you can see on the, on the left side, um, for the [...] the area was four point, two, eight, seven acres from the [...] and now the, the current acre based on acreage based on the [...] data, uh, uh, indicates, uh, that has shrunk two point, nine two acres. 316 dev murali 01:15:33.664 --> 01:15:54.394 On the contrary, um, the [...], which was a very small dotted line on the map there on the west of the southwest side of the, uh, Kingman Lake Heritage Allen, which is point six one acres. Now that has grown to eleven point one acre. So that is the most significant. 317 dev murali 01:15:54.424 --> 01:16:06.934 And changed from the [...]. So that's, that's what would be the most of the discussion that we'll be focusing on, in the conversation in the next few minutes. So next slide, please. 318 dev murali 01:16:09.484 --> 01:16:29.644 Uh, so this is the kind of, uh, uh, gives you a map. I think I also shared this information earlier in my presentation. So these are basically, now you see those three dots. There are one which is green, which is less than five hundred micrograms per kilogram, and then the yellow dots are six thousand, five hundred to eight hundred and then red dots. 319 dev murali 01:16:29.704 --> 01:16:46.444 Or more than eight hundred and as you can say that, uh, that eleven point one acre that we're talking about is kind of a pretty much covers the entire area. There's so surrounded by wetlands, so that is the area that we'll be focusing and talking about next slide. Please. 320 dev murali 01:16:48.784 --> 01:17:02.614 So how did we get here in terms of where we are. So it took me, um, uh, a memory laid back to understanding precisely what the sources are, you know, what could be the. 321 fred pinkney 01:17:02.614 --> 01:17:03.064 Potential. 322 dev murali 01:17:04.054 --> 01:17:09.124 So what we discovered was that from the, at least from the. 323 dev murali 01:17:09.275 --> 01:17:29.855 From the [...], you know, we know that, uh, uh, there is a, clearly a title in flow from the main STEM and there are four outfalls that are feeding into the accumulate and then the potential groundwater discharge because of the shallow nature of the, of the, uh, of the water table in that area, especially as they came in Ireland. 324 dev murali 01:17:30.304 --> 01:17:51.334 And then they, um, based on some of the data collected over the years, starting from [...] nine hundred and ninety, uh, the historical, uh, data settlement, especially working with like, I think, uh, um, that was pretty helpful to understand exactly what, what the data tells us and then also. 325 dev murali 01:17:51.695 --> 01:18:12.455 We discovered during the course of the research that there was a, um, a wetland construction done in two thousand, uh, with the National Park Service and Army Corps of Engineers and [...] at the time now [...] where the address material from Washington selling Marina. The Columbia Island. 326 dev murali 01:18:12.934 --> 01:18:28.534 And on a cost, she'd ever to upper and lower Kingman leg, and again, this material kind of, uh, uh, was, um, was placed in, uh, to create forty- one acres of wetland. Um, so next slide, please. 327 dev murali 01:18:34.805 --> 01:18:52.055 So this is kind of a, gives you a timeline in terms of the studies that have kind of a, um, uh, been performed over the years, starting with ninety one balance here or, um, contamination of the settlement, uh, studies and tissue and toxicity testing and then followed by. 328 dev murali 01:18:52.059 --> 01:19:13.204 Bye army Corps of Engineers doing the mathematics survey before they started dragging the areas in nine hundred and ninety- five and then move forward the judging occurred. They took the sampling and ninety- nine point nine to understand the, the settlement concentrations and both the Kingman leg as well as the mental [...] and. 329 dev murali 01:19:13.209 --> 01:19:34.264 The actual bragging that occurred in two thousand, then after the judging, uh, there was a first year one year one monitoring posts wetland restoration monitoring took place and I think followed by a continuous monitoring from two thousand to two thousand and six, and then there was a. 330 dev murali 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:55.504 Additional planning occurred in our, in two thousand and six then that, that process, so once that was completed, I think, uh, we started the actual and currently we're setting the project in two thousand and thirteen and that kind of a, with a bad demetric survey to understand the conditions for both the. 331 dev murali 01:19:55.510 --> 01:20:16.655 The total graphic as well as the, uh, elevations and both Anacostia and then also the Cayman Lake and Washington channel, and then as you recall that we have performed the [...] from two thousand and four hundred and sixteen, and then also our partners with [...] and USB perform the portal, order sampling and first issue tablet sampling. 332 dev murali 01:20:17.135 --> 01:20:37.385 In two thousand and eighteen, and that conduct work kind of a continues and then we prepared, and I got a decision in two thousand and twenty, and now we are performing the redesign activity from twenty- two onwards. So as you can see, there is a tremendous activity that has taken place over the twenty- five years. I'm just looking at, in terms of. 333 dev murali 01:20:37.834 --> 01:20:55.624 What was there too? What is it here? So that kinda gives you a perspective in time so we know exactly where we were and where we are and where we need to go. So that is the kind of a understanding I want everyone to have it right now, just put this [...] slide here. So next slide, please. 334 dev murali 01:20:57.935 --> 01:21:16.055 So what we looked at here is some of the historical error photographs, you know, from the wetland construction in two thousand and also some other construction activities between two thousand and two thousand and six, and then the red line conditions in two thousand and two current conditions. What we see right now. So next slide, please. 335 dev murali 01:21:18.184 --> 01:21:33.634 So this is the kind of again, the aerial photograph that Google Earth, you know, and you can see that, um, uh, some of the activities that have taken place now with the dredging operations and on the other domain, Craig and March, two thousand, yeah, next item is. 336 dev murali 01:21:36.035 --> 01:21:49.625 This, you can see right now, uh, the navigation challenge and the mainstream mode and it costs ya, uh, fifty, uh, and uh, that was like March two thousand, uh, next slide, please. 337 dev murali 01:21:51.845 --> 01:22:12.065 Uh, as you can see that this is the wetland construction that we talked about, and again, this is the forty- one acres of wetland that was created by [...], two hundred from twelve thousand cubic yards of settlement and you can see all those activities you're selling comfort them and you can see the equipment tracks and then concepting the. 338 dev murali 01:22:12.394 --> 01:22:23.554 Bank burn banks. And then you can see all those activities pretty clearly in our, in terms of how that occurred over the year two thousand. So next slide, please. 339 dev murali 01:22:27.004 --> 01:22:45.754 Again, this is a pretty much the same thing, but again, obviously you can clearly see that, uh, the, the settlement we placed and you can see all those areas that are where the settlements are being placed and heard from different locations and also clearly I think, uh. 340 dev murali 01:22:46.925 --> 01:23:03.155 It's a good way for us to understand in terms of what was there and what is it now? And then how would that kind of a landscape Canada change, you know, with the new addition of a study mentioned in a, in two thousand next slide, please. 341 dev murali 01:23:06.664 --> 01:23:25.444 This is a, again, after the wetland construction, the first post, um, you know, wetlands monitoring and uh, and you can see that there were some issues with the construction, obviously, you know, the [...] took over and they had to kind of spend more time in creating, you know, uh, additional. 342 dev murali 01:23:26.015 --> 01:23:46.235 Putting fencing and, and other safety measures and, uh, and also plant additional, uh, London crashes and what not to, to create, uh, the habitat there, and I think, I think you'll see that it's a, it's coming along pretty good right now in terms of the construction part of it in two thousand and six. 343 dev murali 01:23:46.894 --> 01:23:48.304 Let's go to the next slide. Please. 344 dev murali 01:23:51.334 --> 01:24:03.694 And again, this is pretty much it's pretty well, uh, two thousand and six s- you can see that the wetlands are pretty now. Well, established right now. so next slide, please. 345 dev murali 01:24:06.634 --> 01:24:26.134 This is the most current kind of, I would say not currently in the last year, I think, uh, looking at, uh, the Google app, I think map here and I think you can see that, uh, there is clearly an established wetlands here, and I think the, uh, the [...], which is the, um, early action area. 346 dev murali 01:24:27.454 --> 01:24:38.734 Uh, based on the pre- design investigation, seven point acres of that eleven point acres one acres six point, nine, five acres is all wetlands right now. 347 dev murali 01:24:41.494 --> 01:25:00.154 And further, one more thing I want to clarify here is that prior to two thousand, uh, the channels did not exist. So in two thousand, uh, the Army Corps of Engineers, uh, basically, you know, um. 348 dev murali 01:25:01.504 --> 01:25:21.814 Created wetlands and then also, um, addressed the, uh, channels to, to create, uh, basically a conduit for water to flow through so, to have access and those channels. Um, and then also consider two points, you know, what does it not in the south. 349 dev murali 01:25:23.105 --> 01:25:43.775 The idea here here is to see how we can improve the natural habitats in that area. Um, so clearly it's, it's, it's very obvious that what we're talking about here if we take eleven point one acres of that seven acres is almost Portland, then the remaining areas are just the thing, but the channel here. So. 350 dev murali 01:25:43.804 --> 01:25:50.254 That is the area We're talking about when we talk about early action areas. So, so next slide, please. 351 dev murali 01:25:53.015 --> 01:26:13.385 Again, this is just, I got this yesterday out of the price, which is the better metrics survey data. Again, this is going to be showing clearly, you know, the, the wetlands and, and all the green areas are all kind of, uh, red lines and then the pinkish areas for all channels. So this is again, um, uh, you. 352 dev murali 01:26:13.415 --> 01:26:34.055 Can see that the contour maps. I think we have the metric survey of the queue. We have the battle matrix or we have them talking with link, so we know precisely, you know what the counters are at, at each of the locations. So when, when we do this, not only for, for remediation purposes, but also for the restoration purposes, I think, uh. 353 dev murali 01:26:34.804 --> 01:26:48.874 The information is going to be critically helpful for designing both the remedy as well as when we're designing wetlands. No, from our [...] group. So next slide, please. 354 dev murali 01:26:53.044 --> 01:27:10.564 This was some of the, uh, I think information that was discovered when I, when I started doing the research and this is kind of a maps and uh, you can see that, uh, uh, this title channels that was created in two thousand and forty- acres of wetlands and they've spent almost like a ten million dollars. 355 dev murali 01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:31.084 Million dollars for the entire construction of those wetlands, you know, that is, this is two thousand dollars, two thousand and eight two thousand. So obviously, you know, you want to add whatever escalation costs for that. So today's dollars. So, so anyway, this just wanted to see we have pretty much research and gathered all the. 356 dev murali 01:27:32.525 --> 01:27:37.505 Background information on the, on this activity here, next next slide, please. 357 dev murali 01:27:41.494 --> 01:28:00.244 As I indicated to this, this is the kind of a total quantity that were discharged now of that, the, um, the marinas, again, owned by National Park Service, uh, Washington selling Marina in Columbia and Marina, the federal Navigation channel that was dragged between the [...] bridge. 358 dev murali 01:28:00.664 --> 01:28:02.524 And betting road and then the kingdom. 359 dev murali 01:28:05.074 --> 01:28:17.824 Itself was tries to create those titled canal and also on twenty- five thousand [...]. So this is kind of a total how much the settlements came from various sources. Next slide, please. 360 dev murali 01:28:21.245 --> 01:28:36.875 This is a, kind of a busy slide, but I want to just kind of give you a perspective in terms of some of the data that was a, they are collected from nineteen ninety one from Nike, uh, from, um, from, um, from [...], um. 361 dev murali 01:28:37.234 --> 01:28:58.354 Investigation where we have [...] concentration between four hundred and fifty- four and six hundred and fifty- seven. um, and then the E- which is a contractor to Army Corps of Engineers, uh, in two thousand, their sampling was almost like one hundred and eighty- nine plus per billion and then continuing that. 362 dev murali 01:28:58.384 --> 01:29:19.504 And moving forward with the navigation channel, uh, the concentrations varied anywhere between twenty- four and one hundred and forty- megahertz particular RAM and then, uh, between the Bedding Road and Railroad region on those, you can see the concentration maximum of three hundred and three and most of these are. 363 dev murali 01:29:19.535 --> 01:29:40.625 composite samples and obviously, you know, um, the data that existed at a time is what was used to make a determination to suitability of the material for reuse beneficial reuse to create those back links and I think they also did some, uh, toxicity testing and you can see that. 364 dev murali 01:29:40.745 --> 01:29:46.295 Survival percentage is simply a pretty good overall, and then the [...]. 365 dev murali 01:29:46.414 --> 01:30:00.484 PCP concentrations in a very anywhere from ninety- five to one hundred and fifty- three, you know, over the time, and then you can see the current size mostly sit and play with some sand excellent locations there. So next time please. 366 dev murali 01:30:03.364 --> 01:30:15.904 Again, this is some of the data that came from the post- battle administration from based on the report that came from the, from the U. S. years a year one year five and also a [...]. 367 dev murali 01:30:15.910 --> 01:30:37.055 [...], um, uh, I guess partnership that they conducted studies and from two thousand and one and two thousand and three, and you can see that some of the data that kind of, uh, uh, displayed here and also I think all in all I think, uh, I would say this was a pretty successful big mission when we talk about creating the [...]. 368 dev murali 01:30:37.084 --> 01:30:38.764 Lens, but obviously, you know, um. 369 dev murali 01:30:40.595 --> 01:30:59.585 In terms of some of the concentration of the settlements and also I think those concentrations are pretty much seen across, even in today's, uh, uh, environment and we see that in [...]. So I think, uh, that seemed to be pretty much the average concentrations across and also. 370 dev murali 01:31:01.054 --> 01:31:18.064 Okay, look at the fish issue concentration again, like a three hundred and two hundred. I think some of the data points I think clearly in the range of three hundred to four hundred and fifty based on current data set that what we have. So, so just to give you a perspective next slide please, yeah. 371 dev murali 01:31:21.844 --> 01:31:40.474 Again, telling you the conditions are now based on now what I was just talking about in terms of some of the data here and I think, uh, you can see the Miami check in, uh, [...], uh, concentrations, you know, from one thirty- one to three hundred and seventy- six and then. 372 dev murali 01:31:40.510 --> 01:32:01.505 Some other data from the [...] and I can see those numbers there and we also conducted some of the master sampling and the Cayman Lake, which was less than two nine hours later, and then the average [...] is like two point, seven, nine to two point, eight three, and then we completed the predesigned investigation sampling for surveys and subsequent shipments. 373 dev murali 01:32:01.685 --> 01:32:12.335 pulls where the main concentration for five hundred and fifty, again, this is for the [...], which is where the one point one acres, we're talking about next, next slide, please. 374 dev murali 01:32:14.975 --> 01:32:35.495 So when we look at the specifically for [...] and when we talk about eleven point one acres of that when we say seven acres is wetland and rest channel, we just have to think about in terms of strategy here, what would be the best strategy for us. 375 dev murali 01:32:35.499 --> 01:32:54.184 To address the radiating eleven acres of the [...]. So right now for the interim, wrapping up a decision on what we have, there is a dredging and an outside disposal and I believe that. 376 dev murali 01:32:57.334 --> 01:33:17.794 Added from wrapping up decision remediation, perhaps is not the preferred alternative right now, based on the current conditions based on the new information based on the new conceptual model that we understand right now, what we know right now, I think we have to be thinking about a better alternative simply because. 377 dev murali 01:33:17.799 --> 01:33:38.944 Is one I think to protect those wetlands and to see how we can conserve both wetlands and perhaps the answer to remedy would work ma- much better one. I think we want to reduce the risk from those [...] settlements and we want to keep those timing wetlands are high functioning, you know, based on [...] service. 378 dev murali 01:33:38.974 --> 01:33:59.794 You know, done in two thousand and twenty and also we want to preserve some of the money that was invested in [...]. Those wetlands, uh, so I think we have a good case in terms of, um, uh, successful, uh, studies that have been done in the nation in other states. 379 dev murali 01:34:00.185 --> 01:34:21.245 Where they have used into a treatment to address those already mentioned. The concentration ranges that we're talking about. So I think if we go back and consider the, the remedy that we proposed and the proposed plan, which was the [...] amendments inside to remedy precisely, that's what exactly we want to go. 380 dev murali 01:34:21.274 --> 01:34:28.924 Back to, so I think it'll be a win win situation for everybody. So next time please. 381 Chris Williams 01:34:31.295 --> 01:34:36.995 Jeff, this is great stuff, but I'm going to have to ask you to wind it up in about two minutes so we can move on to. 382 dev murali 01:34:37.385 --> 01:34:39.005 Yeah, I'm done. I'm done almost. 383 Chris Williams 01:34:39.035 --> 01:34:39.425 Okay. 384 dev murali 01:34:40.565 --> 01:34:51.785 So what are we talking about? So next steps is basically, we're going to add in significant differences memorandum and then seek approval and changes to the remedy and then we are collecting the data for the. 385 dev murali 01:34:52.384 --> 01:35:11.884 Uh, fishing for water and surface foreign samples and we are conducting the capability study precisely to determine how these amendments will really work and we want to recommend the carbon amendment is approaching to minimize disturbance to high value wetlands as a natural resource. Please. 386 dev murali 01:35:14.674 --> 01:35:34.504 This is kind of a milestone that we have right now. Page that investigation going until it's completed by my investigation. Part of it thirty percent design report. It's coming out for public review and comments in September, two thousand and twenty- three. We're going to start from the permitting for the construction October. 387 dev murali 01:35:34.569 --> 01:35:55.714 Forty- four hundred and twenty- five, and then the design will be completed by August twenty- four and we need to procure a construction contract and that's going to take us to the August two thousand and twenty- five and remedy construction even to start with Washington Channel, move on to manage them and then Cayman Lakes. So that's why it's going to go to starting. 388 dev murali 01:35:55.719 --> 01:36:00.814 With October twenty- six that's a timeline at what we have right now. Next like this. 389 dev murali 01:36:03.724 --> 01:36:22.534 So, what did you overall update? I know we have completed the mathematics survey and then almost completing the finalizing, the extent of the early action areas and lab analysis and data validation is ongoing, and then we are, uh, we are communicating with the. 390 dev murali 01:36:23.944 --> 01:36:45.004 Orders on the, on the Washington channel remediation and then for the radio design, I think we are conducting the capabilities right now with carbon number names and also we are working on the thirty percent design report and then explanation of significant definition of random, which we are working on right now and the baseline and performance monitoring. 391 dev murali 01:36:45.094 --> 01:36:46.534 We're updating the work plan. 392 Chris Williams 01:36:46.534 --> 01:36:46.744 And. 393 dev murali 01:36:46.744 --> 01:36:53.944 Then hopefully we can begin the process with the sampling sometime and before next slide, please. 394 dev murali 01:36:57.215 --> 01:37:08.825 Reference in that, that I got a note to come out with this, uh, talk here. So feel free to, you know, take a look at it, and then let me know if you have any questions and that's all I have. 395 Chris Williams 01:37:11.464 --> 01:37:31.324 Thanks very much. Yeah, that was, that was terrific, and there was a lot of information there if folks have any questions specific to Deb's presentation today, please put them in the chat so that we can maybe get to them on the next half hour or at least have them have them saved so that. 396 Chris Williams 01:37:31.895 --> 01:37:36.965 We can circle back to Jeff for answers to any of those questions, but I want to do now is. 397 Chris Williams 01:37:39.334 --> 01:37:59.164 The questions portion of the day. Thanks to everyone for those great presentations that we heard that was really terrific stuff and just to make a couple of observations about about what we've heard so far today. One. 398 Chris Williams 01:37:59.854 --> 01:38:20.944 Great in these meetings to have Maryland and the district, both reporting on this work because it reminds us all that conserving and cleaning up the Anacostia is not just a matter for DC, but it really is D. C. and Maryland working together to clean up this watershed and I hope that this council can continue to be. 399 Chris Williams 01:38:20.974 --> 01:38:42.094 And actually expand on efforts to bring these various jurisdictions together around the cleanup of the, of the, at a cost to you and secondly in the last year and a half or so when I've been participating in these meetings, largely we've heard from agency staff, either from the district or Marilyn and that's great. 400 Chris Williams 01:38:43.115 --> 01:39:01.985 You guys do a lot of terrific work and really appreciate it, but we should be reminded that the council also consists of a lot of non- governmental players who can, who can also present. So when we're putting together the agenda for these meetings in the future, let's think about adding other voices. 401 Chris Williams 01:39:03.249 --> 01:39:24.394 These meetings and with that, I want to move on to the question and answer portion and again, one of the new things we want to do is we want to get questions in advance so that we can the folks who are going to answer these questions get a chance to take them over and gather information as needed. So you have the questions up there in front of you for those of you who. 402 Chris Williams 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:45.544 We're on the phone or otherwise distracted. I'll go ahead and read them, and then we'll get the answers we do one by one, obviously, and then we'll get the answers as we go along. So the first question during the March two thousand and twenty- two [...] meeting [...] provided June two thousand and twenty- two as the goal day for a baseline. 403 Chris Williams 01:39:45.549 --> 01:39:51.184 Line performance and monitoring work plan. What is the new schedule for this, And why was it moved back? 404 Chris Williams 01:39:52.775 --> 01:39:54.905 And I think Dev is going to answer this question for us. 405 dev murali 01:39:55.475 --> 01:40:13.745 Yeah, um, as you can see from, uh, the progress that we are made from when we started preparing the interim record of decision, uh, moving forward, uh, we felt quite a bit of time on the baseline performance monitoring plan. I think we were going back. 406 dev murali 01:40:13.774 --> 01:40:34.834 and Forth, we were finalizing that, but then realized that when we talk about contacting the pages and investigation, we didn't want to go back and do the baseline monitoring so much in advance of the actual immediate action, so it didn't make sense for us to kind of continue that, so we had to kind of. 407 dev murali 01:40:34.984 --> 01:40:42.334 Put it in the back burner and start working on the redesign investigation. Uh, so that's exactly what we're done. 408 dev murali 01:40:43.534 --> 01:40:48.514 And then also, um, on the previous investigation is kind of a, um. 409 dev murali 01:40:49.444 --> 01:41:10.144 What was most, uh, pretty much, uh, first major activity because a lot of things waiting on redesign, so going up to completely thirty percent design and then, uh, two hundred and sixty and ninety- nine percent design. So we felt that it's, it's more, uh, I think a lot more beneficial in terms of moving the [...] ahead of. 410 dev murali 01:41:10.324 --> 01:41:31.294 The, uh, of the baseline and our performance monitoring work plan, but again, we're not losing anything simply because we are still, we're still collecting, we just don't call that as a baseline as you, as you can see that you can more collect as a pre- baseline. 411 dev murali 01:41:31.324 --> 01:41:52.324 In our pre- remedial action monitoring plan, I think dr- [...] and Dr pinged me. I know they have conducted the passive sampling, the fish sampling. So those are all kind of a part of the data collection and not necessarily everything tied to specific baseline per SE, so you can consider the. 412 dev murali 01:41:52.534 --> 01:42:01.474 Baseline data collection. All, and all I think we still, we are collecting the data, but to that extent, so I don't know if that answered the question. 413 Chris Williams 01:42:02.974 --> 01:42:09.574 Yeah, thank you. So is there a, is there a new target date for the completion of a baseline of performance monitoring workplace. 414 dev murali 01:42:09.664 --> 01:42:13.594 Well, right now I think I'm thinking as I said. 415 dev murali 01:42:13.685 --> 01:42:31.145 I think it's good to start sometime in the fall this year, and then it's going to go on to next year with the hope to complete the activity by end of next year, having a report and everything, so we know exactly what the conditions are before we start actually mediating the sides here. 416 Chris Williams 01:42:32.645 --> 01:42:33.395 Alright, thanks. 417 Chris Williams 01:42:35.765 --> 01:42:55.895 Second question building on the first recognizing that these things are subject to a lot of variables. Is there a current target date for completing the remediation of the early action areas? Are there any other target dates, [...]? Can share otherwise, is there a, is there some sort of schedule that you. 418 Chris Williams 01:42:55.924 --> 01:43:02.284 Working toward and trying to meet leading up to, and including completing the remediation in the early action. 419 dev murali 01:43:04.054 --> 01:43:17.044 Yeah, I think right now what right now what we think is gonna happen is the actual design, uh, thirty percent design is gonna come in like. 420 dev murali 01:43:17.254 --> 01:43:38.134 As I said, in September of two thousand and twenty- three, and then that is what we'll be going out for public review and comments. So I want you guys to be ready for that because this is exactly, you know, you'll have a conceptual drawing of all those areas that we talked about in terms of how the remediation is going to take. 421 dev murali 01:43:39.694 --> 01:43:59.344 We want all the comments that needs to come in. So when we start looking at those thirty percent design, if we are able to address most of those comments moving to sixty and ninety one hundred and we hope that we can move into a, by completing the design part of it by, by next year, which. 422 dev murali 01:43:59.375 --> 01:44:05.315 Is the, um, uh, which is the two thousand and twenty- four, and then once that happens. 423 dev murali 01:44:06.399 --> 01:44:27.544 We have to have the one hundred percent design complete in order for us to use the data use the drawings to go back and get a construction contractor, obviously, you know, when I initially my thoughts were to start working on the thirty design, but obviously there are. 424 dev murali 01:44:27.664 --> 01:44:33.604 Too many changes between thirty and sixty and ninety. We don't want to be going back and forth in terms of issuing the. 425 Chris Williams 01:44:34.144 --> 01:44:34.954 Contracts or. 426 dev murali 01:44:35.014 --> 01:44:48.694 soliciting a contract and then keep modifying that. So that's the reason why, so that is kind of dependent upon completion of the one hundred design report before going into construction. So that's going to take almost one year for four days. 427 dev murali 01:44:48.814 --> 01:45:07.864 Because this has to be approved by our DC council members. So I think, uh, the process itself is from the contracting, that's what it is indicates move into twenty- four December two, twenty- four and then twenty- five and that's when are you going to start actually construction anybody and actually starting. 428 Chris Williams 01:45:07.864 --> 01:45:08.134 From. 429 dev murali 01:45:08.134 --> 01:45:09.514 Washington channel, so. 430 dev murali 01:45:10.145 --> 01:45:18.635 We think we're going to get into watching the channel by sometime. I don't know No matter what number of. 431 dev murali 01:45:20.075 --> 01:45:21.485 Two thousand and twenty- five and. 432 Chris Williams 01:45:21.485 --> 01:45:21.965 Then. 433 dev murali 01:45:22.175 --> 01:45:25.715 Once we complete that, what are the main STEM and then after that. 434 dev murali 01:45:27.124 --> 01:45:47.914 Keep my leg would be the last one and remember that came in Lake is not only, are we doing the limitation, but also restoration part of it, so we will try to coordinate all those functions with the [...] folks and then see how we can make the best use of some of the information collected from, from their end. So we. 435 dev murali 01:45:47.944 --> 01:45:49.654 I'll have to kind of work together. 436 Richard Jackson 01:45:50.464 --> 01:46:05.884 So, so let me add to these last two. These first two questions, essentially, the timelines pushed back, we're in the process of coming out with refining that timeline in the. 437 Chris Williams 01:46:05.884 --> 01:46:06.544 Next. 438 Richard Jackson 01:46:07.144 --> 01:46:09.064 Two to three weeks. We'll have a clear picture of what. 439 Richard Jackson 01:46:09.514 --> 01:46:30.214 What our new anticipated timeline is for getting this work done and then we'll put that timeline out so that we're kind of held to that timeline. So that'll be coming in the next two to three weeks that, that timeline and put onto the website. There's multiple reasons, a lot of timelines got pushed back as Dave, just explained there was a lot of variables are phone. 440 Richard Jackson 01:46:30.245 --> 01:46:45.395 This was initially just to attack the Kingdom Lake and hit that out of the action area and then move onto the next one. Uh, fortunately those other other things started coming into the focus, so we wanted to stay focused on. 441 Chris Williams 01:46:45.935 --> 01:46:47.015 Remediation, let's. 442 Richard Jackson 01:46:47.015 --> 01:46:51.005 Get in and get out. We thought it'd be more effective if we combined. 443 Richard Jackson 01:46:51.574 --> 01:47:01.144 Other work that needed to be done in Kingman link and try to do it all at one time by doing that combination. We discovered that, that triggered additional. 444 Chris Williams 01:47:01.144 --> 01:47:01.924 Requirements. 445 Richard Jackson 01:47:01.984 --> 01:47:04.534 That would have slowed down the remediation. 446 Chris Williams 01:47:04.534 --> 01:47:04.834 Work. 447 Richard Jackson 01:47:04.834 --> 01:47:05.194 So. 448 Chris Williams 01:47:05.194 --> 01:47:05.854 Essentially. 449 Richard Jackson 01:47:07.804 --> 01:47:12.514 Started to get started too bogged down because of all the sudden. 450 Richard Jackson 01:47:13.264 --> 01:47:13.624 Doing this. 451 Chris Williams 01:47:13.624 --> 01:47:14.224 Combination. 452 Richard Jackson 01:47:14.434 --> 01:47:15.604 bogged down the work that we. 453 Chris Williams 01:47:15.604 --> 01:47:15.964 Initially. 454 Richard Jackson 01:47:15.964 --> 01:47:23.764 Planned on, so because of that we decided that if we want to stay clean and just get some work done under our current. 455 Chris Williams 01:47:23.764 --> 01:47:24.334 Contract. 456 Richard Jackson 01:47:24.844 --> 01:47:25.954 We need to go ahead and move. 457 Chris Williams 01:47:25.954 --> 01:47:26.164 To an. 458 Richard Jackson 01:47:26.164 --> 01:47:27.184 Area where. 459 Chris Williams 01:47:27.544 --> 01:47:27.634 We. 460 Richard Jackson 01:47:27.634 --> 01:47:33.424 Can actually do work and that work would not trigger additional requirements, and so that's why we've. 461 Richard Jackson 01:47:33.724 --> 01:47:54.814 It now to Washington Channel, so that just now has allowed us to move Kingdom as fast as we want it to, and so we're shifting just the whole point of judging as us looking in the chat, the whole point of dragging and adding those dress channels. Those were not originally a part of the actual early action. 462 Richard Jackson 01:47:54.844 --> 01:47:59.674 That's not needed for remediation of that early action area, but that was something we would want to try to. 463 Chris Williams 01:47:59.674 --> 01:48:00.364 Incorporate. 464 Richard Jackson 01:48:00.364 --> 01:48:00.874 Because we. 465 Chris Williams 01:48:00.874 --> 01:48:00.994 Would. 466 Richard Jackson 01:48:00.994 --> 01:48:15.964 Have dredge equipment in that area. Do it all at one time theoretically, everything sounded like it would work, but by doing by adding all that extra work in there, like I said, a trigger requirements that, that just slows down the process, so that's why. 467 Richard Jackson 01:48:15.995 --> 01:48:16.355 We need to. 468 Chris Williams 01:48:16.355 --> 01:48:16.835 Shift. 469 Richard Jackson 01:48:17.135 --> 01:48:18.665 We'll have a schedule like I said. 470 Chris Williams 01:48:18.665 --> 01:48:18.875 About. 471 Richard Jackson 01:48:18.875 --> 01:48:21.725 Two or three weeks, then we'll postpone it so that we can be held to that account. 472 Chris Williams 01:48:24.184 --> 01:48:44.164 Thank you Richard and thank you, Jeff. Um, next question, what is the current status of the beneficial reuse of Greg material guidance does [...]. Excuse me does [...]. anticipate sharing a revised updated version of this document for public comment, if so when should we. 473 Chris Williams 01:48:44.169 --> 01:48:44.889 Anticipated. 474 dev murali 01:48:49.174 --> 01:49:07.684 The benefit reuse document, which was published in March, two thousand and twenty- two. I mean, we have prepared responses to comments. We have shared that with, um, um, federal partners and I think. 475 dev murali 01:49:08.435 --> 01:49:12.155 We're going back and forth in terms of the, um. 476 dev murali 01:49:12.424 --> 01:49:15.394 Questions and comments and clarifications. So. 477 dev murali 01:49:17.495 --> 01:49:37.745 We're almost getting there is just the processes has been a long process and I think I want to put a close to that, and if you, if you are asking for the revised and updated version, I want to, I want to say that, you know, hopefully in the new. 478 dev murali 01:49:37.775 --> 01:49:58.745 Q months, and now we would like to get it out and I want everybody to see in terms of the activities that have taken place and I believe that based on what I see here is, um, I just got a response from National Park Service yesterday on some other. 479 dev murali 01:49:59.884 --> 01:50:19.654 Comments that they sent on the most recent conversation back and forth on that one. So are we close to where w- what do we need to be in terms of the understanding and having consensus in from [...] and National Park Service, Not right now, and this is the only thing we want to get close to that. I think. 480 dev murali 01:50:20.494 --> 01:50:41.194 I would like to, I would like to get it closed, but now again, to where we want, and I believe that we are working on it process and I think you would like to get closer them faster than possible, but again, this is not for the lack of effort and I think we would, they would hope that in the. 481 dev murali 01:50:41.224 --> 01:50:48.934 X few months I would say, No, he would want to have this document complete and, and share it with everybody else. So. 482 Richard Jackson 01:50:49.144 --> 01:50:54.304 So let me, let me add this one as well. So what originally. 483 Chris Williams 01:50:54.304 --> 01:50:54.694 Started. 484 Richard Jackson 01:50:54.694 --> 01:50:55.204 Out as a great. 485 Chris Williams 01:50:55.204 --> 01:50:55.924 Idea in. 486 Richard Jackson 01:50:55.924 --> 01:51:02.074 Terms of putting together a beneficial use document. That would be consistent with what Marilyn does and just have a one that's kind of like a. 487 Richard Jackson 01:51:03.155 --> 01:51:05.435 Using information from Marilyn. 488 Chris Williams 01:51:05.675 --> 01:51:05.825 Put. 489 Richard Jackson 01:51:05.825 --> 01:51:10.625 Together a benefit use document that we felt would be a great asset. 490 Chris Williams 01:51:10.625 --> 01:51:10.805 For. 491 Richard Jackson 01:51:10.805 --> 01:51:13.445 US to be able to do work consistent across the. 492 Chris Williams 01:51:13.445 --> 01:51:13.805 Board on. 493 Richard Jackson 01:51:13.805 --> 01:51:14.975 Our program, it was. 494 Richard Jackson 01:51:16.449 --> 01:51:20.374 Getting that document to a final state to a final final draft. 495 Chris Williams 01:51:20.434 --> 01:51:20.614 Or. 496 Richard Jackson 01:51:20.614 --> 01:51:36.604 Final version and workable usable version has proven to be more challenging than we thought there has been a lot of back and forth with EPA and within PS and that back and forth, those discussions still continue because of the way we view with, in terms of. 497 Richard Jackson 01:51:37.895 --> 01:51:58.745 What would trigger what would allow us to be beneficial is the levels that we're choosing is not necessarily being agreed upon. So that's kind of where the discussion has bogged down in terms of, of what level would be considered safe to be reused within the river or within back within the water bodies, and so that's where the challenge has been in terms of coming. 498 Richard Jackson 01:51:59.105 --> 01:52:06.755 The numbers that are acceptable to EPA and MVPs and so that's kind of where benefits use document is stuck at. 499 Chris Williams 01:52:06.755 --> 01:52:06.905 Right? 500 Richard Jackson 01:52:06.905 --> 01:52:08.345 Now, and we're trying to work through it. 501 Chris Williams 01:52:08.765 --> 01:52:08.855 And. 502 Richard Jackson 01:52:08.855 --> 01:52:09.815 We're making progress. 503 Chris Williams 01:52:09.815 --> 01:52:10.115 Is just. 504 Richard Jackson 01:52:10.175 --> 01:52:18.965 Definitely not proceeding as quickly as we wanted it to. I mean, we thought this was going to be a pretty quick document that we would have done out and we will be following it, but that's not. 505 Chris Williams 01:52:19.265 --> 01:52:19.445 It's. 506 Richard Jackson 01:52:19.445 --> 01:52:19.685 Not. 507 Richard Jackson 01:52:20.374 --> 01:52:23.824 So they asked for more particular. 508 Chris Williams 01:52:23.824 --> 01:52:24.334 Limits. 509 Richard Jackson 01:52:25.144 --> 01:52:25.414 Yes. 510 Chris Williams 01:52:25.444 --> 01:52:25.594 They're. 511 Richard Jackson 01:52:25.594 --> 01:52:40.924 Asking for more potential limits, and so that's kind of where the discussion is going. So we're going back and forth. I think a couple of months is optimistic, this is a document that that's going to be challenging, but we know we will eventually come to a document that will be. 512 Richard Jackson 01:52:42.094 --> 01:52:45.004 Acceptable to all parties involved, and that's what we're trying to get to them. 513 Richard Jackson 01:52:49.174 --> 01:52:50.974 You're on, you're on mute. You're on mute. Chris. 514 Chris Williams 01:52:54.604 --> 01:53:12.904 Thank you again. Richard and Dev and thank you Trey for those clarifying questions in the chat, um, question number four changing gears a little bit. What is the status of the remedial investigation and feasibility study for popular point? I think Brian. 515 Ray Montero 01:53:14.224 --> 01:53:14.584 Yup. 516 Ray Montero 01:53:15.365 --> 01:53:36.035 Thanks, Chris, so at popular point we just wrapped up phase two of the remedial investigation. So basically phase two was all the additional work that we deemed necessary after phase one. So then phase two included some additional. 517 Ray Montero 01:53:36.574 --> 01:53:56.944 Incremental soil sampling, which is the soil sampling of the upper one foot, as well as the sampling of the existing groundwater world network, which was about seventy four groundwater wells we just finished that groundwater sampling last week. So where we are at right now is. 518 Ray Montero 01:53:58.564 --> 01:54:09.004 Prior to submitting any updated draft, our report we're putting together a few memos and those memos are going to detail any additional work that we need. 519 Chris Williams 01:54:09.004 --> 01:54:09.124 To. 520 Ray Montero 01:54:09.124 --> 01:54:18.334 Just define or delineate some more areas where we found contamination just so we can delineate those areas that's going to be limited to. 521 Ray Montero 01:54:18.364 --> 01:54:30.334 About three or four areas and I don't believe it's going to be extensive. It's probably going to be anywhere between five and ten social boardings in each area for some additional data and delineation. 522 Ray Montero 01:54:32.854 --> 01:54:53.464 When we're submitting those memos, so we really don't have to put anything in a direct report and suggest additional work we want to just do it on the front end and that's been a great process for [...] and [...] to work through and agree upon, and then after those memos are submitted and approved, we'll get that worked out in the field. 523 Ray Montero 01:54:54.724 --> 01:55:13.924 Then we will start drafting the, our report currently right now, we have a date of around the fourth quarter of two thousand and twenty- three for the [...] report and then the FS should follow in late two thousand and twenty for barring any hiccups or delays. 524 Ray Montero 01:55:15.244 --> 01:55:21.214 So Chris, that's where we're at with Pablo. I think you're on mute still. I'm sorry. 525 Chris Williams 01:55:24.454 --> 01:55:26.584 I keep doing that because there's so much traffic noise. 526 Ray Montero 01:55:26.644 --> 01:55:27.064 Outside my. 527 Chris Williams 01:55:27.064 --> 01:55:27.394 Window. 528 Chris Williams 01:55:30.275 --> 01:55:38.585 A question from Brenda, in the chat Ray, you've talked, you're talking about deadlines that are pretty far in the future for some of these things. 529 Chris Williams 01:55:40.294 --> 01:55:54.934 Any of the information you're gathering at a point where you can share it with the community. There's a lot of community activity around around the future popular point and they would love to learn more about what you're investigating and what you're finding is that possible at this point. 530 Ray Montero 01:55:55.354 --> 01:55:59.254 Yeah, all of the data we have right now. Well, the data from the phase one. 531 Ray Montero 01:56:01.354 --> 01:56:22.414 We have in hand the data from phase two is mostly draft as we're getting it in from the lab, especially all the latest groundwater data. Uh, I'm not sure we're at a point where anything is sharable right now, just because it's not put together in that format. What I can say is from the phase one data and some of the phase two. 532 Ray Montero 01:56:22.419 --> 01:56:43.414 You, there are, uh, the main [...] that we have been dealing with in the surface soil or some pesticides [...] and PCBs, and that's what we're going to be delineating with this phase to work. We have not seen any significant impacts the ground water from phase one, and of course, the phase two data, we. 533 Ray Montero 01:56:44.254 --> 01:57:01.444 I mean, we just finished sampling last week. I'm hoping we don't see anything different from that, but once everything is submitted to [...], I imagine that we can work with [...] on what's going to be published or not as there the lead regulatory agency for the, for the. 534 Chris Williams 01:57:04.985 --> 01:57:16.715 Great, thank you. Final question from the, from the questions that were submitted in advance also for Ray, what is the current timeline for the remedial design phase for Kenilworth Park. 535 Ray Montero 01:57:17.975 --> 01:57:25.865 Sure, so as folks may know the district is going to be implementing the remedy at [...]. 536 Ray Montero 01:57:27.664 --> 01:57:32.914 And right now where we are is [...]. 537 Ray Montero 01:57:32.919 --> 01:57:54.064 [...] is working with NPS to identify. So let me, let me take a step back. I'm sorry, real quick You have three minutes. The district had some comments on the, are on the Rod and the proposed plan those comments were related to potential flow pathways and groundwater impacts from the site to the survey. 538 Ray Montero 01:57:54.094 --> 01:58:15.214 The water bodies, what the district is currently doing is we're working with [...] right now to identify those flow paths from the site to the water bodies. We just started that process and looking at some topo maps on where these flow paths could be identified. The next step on that is going to the field to actually ground truth. these. 539 Ray Montero 01:58:15.245 --> 01:58:36.155 Areas, and then once we do that and agree on a plan, we'll draft the work plan for [...] to review and approve and we'll go do that sampling for the flow paths to the river and then we'll also sample the surrounding wells on a perimeter for the [...] congeners for any potential impacts to the water bodies. 540 Ray Montero 01:58:36.574 --> 01:58:57.514 All of that information is going to feed into the remedial design. It would be unfair right now. Design, I honestly don't know when that's going to be, and I don't want to mislead anyone, but once we have the, well, the work for the work done right now, the. 541 Ray Montero 01:58:57.544 --> 01:59:18.664 Feeds into remedial design. I may have a better grasp on that and just one more thing to let folks know, and I'm not sure if [...] is on the call, but they're also working to get some formal community engagement to start in the late summer early spring, so it's kind of separate from the call. 542 Ray Montero 01:59:18.694 --> 01:59:20.254 So, but I just wanted folks to know. 543 Chris Williams 01:59:20.254 --> 01:59:20.464 That. 544 Ray Montero 01:59:20.464 --> 01:59:28.444 And we've been on some phone calls with DPR and Brenda Richardson relaying the same. So that's just another level for that. 545 Chris Williams 01:59:30.784 --> 01:59:40.624 Great, thank you Ray and thank you to Ray and Dev and Richard and everyone else who gave us some really thoughtful answers to these questions. I really appreciate it. 546 Richard Jackson 01:59:42.664 --> 01:59:50.284 Hey Chris, there's one more in the chat that kind of ties in, so Ray does the top of point information in progress on PowerPoint. Is that on the website? 547 Richard Jackson 01:59:52.265 --> 01:59:53.465 Where does that reside at? 548 Ray Montero 01:59:53.615 --> 02:00:10.685 Nope NPS maintains the admin record for poplar, so, yeah, anything for popular And actually kind of work would be on the, on the MVPs website, although, and anything done for the [...] is probably not on there yet because everything is still draft and we're still going through everything. 549 Richard Jackson 02:00:11.345 --> 02:00:11.615 Okay. 550 Chris Williams 02:00:14.105 --> 02:00:26.135 Okay with that we are at time, so I'm going to turn it back over to, to Richard and to Gretchen. Thanks again for the opportunity to co- host this meeting. I've really enjoyed it. 551 Richard Jackson 02:00:26.885 --> 02:00:33.215 Thank you, Chris. I appreciate it too. Great job, great job. My last question I see in the chat from. 552 Richard Jackson 02:00:33.634 --> 02:00:47.524 And yes, Dev is working with [...] team about the current process. You guys have done some great work up there and we're definitely going to be capitalizing on the experience that you guys have in this, in that particular area absolutely. 553 gretchen mikeska 02:00:50.824 --> 02:01:11.464 So I just put in the chat, the website address. So basically all the proceedings for today, the slides and the voice recording and also the text chat will be on the website in the next couple of days. 554 gretchen mikeska 02:01:11.495 --> 02:01:32.495 Yeah, so look there and also on the [...] open meeting website, so keep everyone informed. Thanks again, for David Smart, he's a policy analyst in our administrative services administrative division. I'm so Thankful that he joins us every quarter for the meetings. 555 gretchen mikeska 02:01:32.619 --> 02:01:40.864 Next meeting is Judy and so get your ideas over to me As soon as you can, and that makes the process. Thanks. 556 Richard Jackson 02:01:43.174 --> 02:02:00.484 Right, and Gretchen. So there was a couple of other ones in the chat that we'll follow up on. Um, so we'll follow up on those questions that are, there's a couple of little ones in the chat. We'll follow up on. So with that though I want to thank everybody for attendance. Awesome, thank you Chris. for the recommendation. 557 Chris Williams 02:02:00.484 --> 02:02:00.604 Of. 558 Richard Jackson 02:02:00.814 --> 02:02:02.224 Bringing in other voices in the meeting. 559 Richard Jackson 02:02:02.554 --> 02:02:17.374 And we'll definitely be looking at that. So I really appreciate that as well, but just thanks everybody for being here and we'll look forward to the next meeting and if there's always questions or whatnot, please get them out to us and we'll try to get your answers as quickly as possible. So thanks everybody bye- bye. Have a good day. 560 Chris Williams 02:02:17.944 --> 02:02:18.634 Thanks everyone. 561 carolyn.barley 02:02:18.904 --> 02:02:19.714 Thanks everybody. 562 gretchen mikeska 02:02:20.434 --> 02:02:20.854 Thank you. 563 Chris Williams 02:02:22.025 --> 02:02:22.385 Oh. 564 Jacqueline Ellison 02:02:25.115 --> 02:02:25.595 Thank you.